DUBNER: OK, so this is interesting that a watchdog group that will not reveal its funding is going after an industry to try to influence academics that’s funding. So should we assume that CFA, the watchdog, has some kind of horse in the payday race? Do we just not know?
They are not calling
I started doing research about the organization and I had checked the Better Business Bureau and had lots of complaints and rated with an “F”. I did not contact Check N Go about which company they sold the account to and it was not PDL so I’m wondering how they got my information. I had given PDL $ 25 just for them to stop calling me so much I wonder if I should have done that.
Just received a call from PDLR Recovery systems about a payday loan that was supposedly taken out 2 or 3 years ago and they were willing to settle for $ 500.00. I had originally made an arrangement with them. I then called them to cancel the arrangement at which time they said they were going to call my office and start the garnishment proceedings. After reading your cover page and asking for the actual credit information as well as information to the collection they worked for, they suddenly hang up. Thank you for the advice.
DEYOUNG: Well, I do not know what the president would buy. You know, we have a problem in society right now, it’s getting worse and worse, is we go to loggerheads and we’re very bad at finding
You need to get a handle on the collections process. before you make contact with these gubbers, because they will know if you do not know your rights and they will push you around to get you to acknowledge the debt, accept it and agree to make a payment. That means never ever acknowledges, accept or agree to pay a debt. Period! Even if you owe. Never! Follow the law and get a VOD first. Never ever confirm your details to them. If they claim you are a federal law FDCPA, the burden to be so is on them, you should have your details down. So just tell them to send whatever they have to the address on record. The reason you do not accept a debt is if the statute of limitation has expired for FDCPA the debt is time barred and noncollectable. If you accept it, it restarts the clock all over again.
Protections for servicemembers. There are special protections through the federal Military Lending Act (MLA) for active duty servicemembers and their dependents. These protections include a cap of 36 percent on the Military Annual Percentage Rate (MAPR) as well as other limitations on what lenders can pay for payday and other consumer loans. Contact your local Advocate General’s (JAG) office to learn more about lending restrictions. You can use the JAG Legal Assistance Office locator to find help.
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DUBNER: Now, Bob, the blog post is a pop version of a meta-study, which rolls up other research on different pieces of the issue. I’m sorry that the studies that you cite in the post are not just the biased rantings of some ultra-right-wing pro-market-at-all-cost lunatics. And I realize that at least one of the primary studies was authored by yourself, so I guess I’m asking you to prove that you are not an ultra-right-wing pro-market-at-all-cost lunatic.
people had the same story about these people. So I called them back and I asked them to give me the address of their business location and he gave me 1001 State stree, more than 1400, Erie Pa. I googled this address and found out that this address belongs to Moody Law Offices 814-464-9464. I called Moody Law Office and asked them they were affiliated with Law firm Anthony H Rodriguez and they said they did not hear of them and they were not affiliated with them. I called Anthony H Rodriguez back and confronted them about this, and he started cursing and they hung up on me. I’m so happy I did not give them any money.
I received an email saying there is a judgment against me for a payday loan from cash it had my social sec number and all these charges. I never took out a payday loan with these people I was suspended to call them yesterday but I did not check my e-mail until the next day. I know this is a scam because i google cash usa and find that some people have recieved the same e-mail. What can I do to prevent them from sending the same e-mail. I’m going to file a report
A few months back, my best friend got a call from someone re: I said I was going to jail if I did not pay something by the end of the day. I had used her as a reference to a payday advance through Check N Go so that’s probably how they got her name and number. She called me hysterical, I freaked out and of course, called them. The guy was very rude and told me I would go to jail if it was not paid that day by 4 and told me I’d be arrested for check fraud. I explained what happened, did not give any info or offer payment, but was so upset. I completely freaked out and thought “oh my gosh, who will take care of my kids if I go to jail?” I called my attorney and he told me to ignore it, and that no, I could not get arrested. I was relieved !!! I do not have to pay for that payday above, I believe it was from a year or two ago. I lost my job after, fell on hard times and I still pick up the pieces of money and have not been able to pay it. Now that I’ve read this, I’m pretty sure these callers are scammers. Beware people! Oh yes, and of course, when I listen to the envelope info of the voicemails, they are blocked and it says “an outside caller”. I wish there was something I could do to get these clowns in trouble, because if I had made any payment and found out it was not paying my debt, I would be devastated.
You are correct that you are required to give you the proof of the debt. Do you have a physical address for them? If so, you can write a letter and send it registered mail asking for written proof of the debt. If you are being taken to court, you will receive a “summary and complaint” by postal mail or delivered in person. It is a formal court document, not an email.
of a group called the Consumer Credit Research Foundation, or the CCRF, which is funded by payday lenders. Now, to be clear, Ronald Mann says that CCRF did not pay him to do the study, and did not try to influence his findings; but neither does his paper disclose that the data collection was handled by an industry-funded group. So we went back to Bob DeYoung and asked whether, maybe, it should have.
DeYOUNG: Right now, there are very little information about rollovers, the reasons for rollovers, and the effects of rollovers. And without academic research, the rule is going to be based on who shouts the loudest. And that’s a bad way to write law or regulation. That’s what I really worry about. If I could advocate a solution to this, it would be: identify the number of rollovers at which it has been revealed that the borrower is in trouble and is being irresponsible and this is the wrong product for them. At that point the payday lender does not flip the borrower into another loan, does not encourage the borrower to find another payday lender. At that point the lender’s main is then switched into a different product, a long term loan where he or she pays it a bit bit every month.
and would gladly accept any papers that they had for me. They immediately got very defensive and rude, I said that I checked my credit regularly and the only loan that I had been for a car and my school loan, They told me that payday loans do not show up on your credit report. I got it out and hung up, only for them to get a hold of my sister and tell her that they were looking for me. They called back a few more time and I ignored the call.
ITS FAKE IF YOU HAVE SOCIAL SITES AND THEY CAN GET INFO FROM SITES AND PAY TO GET YOUR PERSONAL INFO THINGS ARE HACKED SUCK AS EMAILS THAT’S Y THERE IS SPAM JUST MAKE SURE YOUR MOM DO NOT GIVE THEM MONEY THAT’S ALL THEY WANT IF IT WAS REAL JUST ASK THEM TO SEND SOMETHING IN THE MAIL THEY ALWAYS SAY WE CANT WHICH IS A LIE IF THEY ARE A REAL COMPANY IF YOUR MOM SENT MONEY ALREADY TELL HER REQUEST A REFUND FROM THE PREPAID CARD COMPANY ASAP AND CALL LOCAL POLICE DEPT I HOPE THIS HELPS THE INTERNET CAN BE YOU BEST FRIEND OR YOUR WORST ENEMY GUD LUCK
Edit: I’ve seen that the original debt is “real debt,” and while the original debt may be real, even if you’ve paid in full and can prove it, it gets resold over and over. Check out John Oliver’s story. His show is investigated and these are small-time debt collectors depending on fooling people in paying to avoid legal action that rarely, if ever, happens. He bought $ 14 million in medical debt for $ 60k and erased it for thousands of people being harassed for debts that had been paid.
The call was about a cash advance loan that I received over the computer in 2007. They said I owe $ 1500 and I had to give them at least $ 25 before I got off the phone with them or I would be arrested and have to spend $ 5000 to get out of jail, have to pay short money and get put on probation.
Today I came in from a stressful day, phone rings and it’s some stupid chick telling me I was going to be served and did not call this number at ADR – 877-801-8348. I asked her what was she talking about. She said, “I can not tell you the records are sealed!” She said, “If you call this number that will prevent you from a lot of trouble!” I said “No thanks, I would rather know what the trouble is , serve me! “I live in a remote part of the country – PO Box only – I also knew I had not been responsible for anything illegal. Have been a grown up now for several years and knew -my life was clean! I told her if she called me back that I was going to turn her into the AG’s Office and hung up. A few minutes later my mom called some girl was looking for me and I needed to call that number. My mom is 83 and we just went through the lost, my dad and my brother-in-law. None of us need this at anytime in our lives. I WILL turn them into the authorities if they call me back. I hope everybody else will do the same. I told my mom not to even think about talking to them or anyone else who can not identify themselves or their company. It’s a shame such evil lives in our world … find a job, do something honest for a change. We have enough crap going on without these scumsuckers bothering us or moreso our parents! BTY the girls name was CORY.
U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren (left) talks with Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director Richard Cordray after he testified about Wall Street reform at the 2014 Senate Banking Committee hearing. (Jonathan Ernst
I just had my first run with one of these “companies.” I immediately knew that it was gibberish but decided to play along. They were immediately taken by the fact I have a British accent but continue their charade. I initially spoke with a woman and the number was 0000. Typically I do not pick up these strange numbers as I assume it’s some sort of scam but I had a itch. She picked up said something and immediately handed the phone over to another counterpart. He of course made claims to a loan I took out in 2008, I believe. Along with fraud check and two other false claims. I immediately said that I was only 16 than though he continued the pressure. Statements of we sent you multiple EMAILS, you’ll receive a summon, etc. After he continued to talk about me I said in a very naive way “He said in his absurdly thick accent” of course. “I than yelled” you such a person I I was a student of law and the likeliness of convincing me of any truth was impossible. “He continued to press me and I slyly said a remark in Spanish than hung up. The fact that I was 16 in said year and British alone should have made him end the call, very foolish tactic. They called me BACK RIGHT AFTER AS WELL. I can also complain of the heavy background noise, completely spineless people praying on Americans suffering through enough of a crisis as is. If I receive another call I will take some of these actions to try and help in ceasing this callous behavior.
And if you are sued by a creditor or collection agency, they must serve you with a notice of the lawsuit (this is usually referred to as a “summons and complaint”). They sue you for the debt; “Filing with the clerk of court for fraud by deception,” is meaningless.
my fiancé has been getting phone calls from someone saying he is an official mike Johnson from 810-223-0563 said he got a loan for $ 300 over the internet but he did not. he applied for some loans but because his credit is bad and no bank account he could not get one. this guy says he got one but he told us where he was from and like most of you he had his name ss # where he works and is threating to have him arrested. We talked to a cop who said that if we had applied for a loan even over the internet they would have mailed out paperwork anyway with PAYMENT OPTIONS and how long you had to pay it back we got nothing and the pretend cop will not give us the It’s a good idea that we have a lot of money, but we have no money for it. what do you do when they keep threatening you and you have no idea what they are talking about.
“I do not think they’ll be back, because I told them that it’s federal law to send me something written in the mail before trying to collect the debt from me” – Surprisingly, once they know that you know the laws (and better than they do), they typically do back and give up. Thank you for sharing your story, it shows that knowing and understanding your rights can help protect you from being a victim.
You may be right that you have become a victim of a scam. We can not know if they will empty your accounts. Here’s a Credit.com article that will be useful to you in planning your next steps: How to Get Help if You’ve Been Scammed. Good luck to you.
No, debtors are not allowed to threaten you. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is now taking complaints about collection practices. You can file one here:
These payday loan collectors are using a new scared tactic now. They are saying I’m filing fraud charges with your county and you will be summoned to court for fraud. I know you can not threaten a person over the phone but these are the calls I’ve got back to back
I am very concerned you are dealing with a scammer – possibly in both instances. Please read this article about how process servers work and proceed with extreme caution. (And verify the one you are making payments to is legitimate!)
You are doing all the right things, and it sounds like the calls you are receiving are not legitimate. Please do not give these companies any account numbers (credit card, debit or any other financial account). We’ve written about these scams before. This post may be useful (or reassuring) to you:
DeYoung also argues that most payday borrowers know exactly what they’re getting into when they sign up; that they’re not unwitting and desperate people who are being preyed on. He points to a key piece of research by Ronald Mann; That’s another co-author on the New York Fed blog post.
Beware folks. The first letter I got, they wanted 1300. and used a old address from 2003 and the supposed date of the debt was 2007 !! I did not even live there in 2007! The second letter I got was for 984.00 and they would call the DA if I did not pay up.
In a high-education system that is often divided between two and four-year colleges and further segregated between elite and nonelite institutions, it’s not often that a college college is mentioned in the same breath as the Ivy League campus. Nor is a two-year college as a training ground for jobs in the so-called creative economy, which includes industries such as design, fashion, and computer gaming that typically require bachelor degrees.
I had calls from Texas and the guy was just talking and talking and he would not let me talk so I said how to pay you, he said give me your debit card, so I said **** you, and he said The cops are going to come in 24 hours and I’m going to lose the case, so I said **** you again, think about what person is Arabic is named Michael brown
in giving your money to scammers. First, you can ask the caller to verify the debt. By law, you are entitled to documentation, sent via postal mail, which shows the debt is yours. You can find more information here: The Ultimate Guide to Debt Collection. Please read it, and do not pay money you do not have.
Has anyone got a call from statewide adr they keep calling my work and my dad house say they want to give me papers. Is this company for real or not i do not find anything on them. And i dont want to lose my job. Please help
I can not tell from what you are writing whether it’s a very aggressive debt collector, but remember the debt collectors must follow federal law (and often state laws) that prohibits harassment and false statements.
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