I’m sorry to hear you pay this debt! It sounds like they are the ones acting illegally. Debts included in bankruptcy are protected by the automatic stay, and once the debt is discharged to a creditor can not try to collect it.
FULMER: If you associate the cost of paying our rent to our local owners, paying our light bill and electrical fees, paying our other fees to local merchants who provide services to us, we operate on a relatively thin margin.
The problem we’ve been looking at today is pretty straightforward: there are a lot of low-income people in the U.S. who has come to rely on a financial instrument, the payday loan, which is, according to its detractors, exploitative, and according to its supporters, useful. President Obama is pushing for regulatory reform; payday advocates say the reform may kill off the industry, leaving borrowers in the lurch.
First I looked up this 712th court crap and found that it is a site that allows people to print fake legal documents. I pasted this on my email and sent it to them. I also found the same letter on a website that was sent to me, so in my second email to
Nona – There are a few options for trying to stop them but it’s not easy when you’re dealing with a scam. If they were legitimate collectors, and traceable – where they could be held accountable under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, consumers would recourse to sue them. However, with scams, it’s a little more difficult … but there are some options that may help – you can file a complaint with your local law enforcement, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and your state attorney general.
… and remember … do not sign anything at your doorstep …
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Worse yet, she says, borrowers have almost no choice but to roll over their loans again and again, which jacks up the fees. In fact, rollovers, Standaert says, are an important part of the industry’s business model.
I did not have any phone calls but my previous room was visited at home by a man named Lewis claiming he had a delivery for me and that he is a server server! She has been to her home several times and she has finally told her to stop her harrassing her as well. He left a fake look business card in which he wrote in his name and tel. # 425-223-8367. I have not called him to verify anything yet. Any suggestions how to handle or proceed with this? Any help is appreciated!
, blah, blah blah. Some people have been middle east, but some are not. I tried to leave a message to call me back but no answer. I went on the net tonight, and have been enlightened. I have to cancel my checking acct. because I gave them my info. I feel so gullable. Just because I gave them auth. for auto withdrawl. Don, do it, please just deal with the companies you took out the loan with !!!
I spoke with a lady named Savanna from the “Division of Processing”, who told me that I had On-Line Pay-Day Loan through Kenwood Services from 2010 that was unpaid and that it was determined that I did it with the intent to commit fraud money. The amount was for $ 420.00, but with fees added they were $ 1820.00 and additional court fees of $ 2500.00 would be added. When I began to ask questions (I thought that the account they claimed I put in the application was closed in 2008, and the address that was for me was 8 years old), she started to get angry with me. All I was doing was trying to get information about the original debt, which she could not give me. She also told me that I was going to be served in a criminal summary and prosecuted for Financial Fraud. When I started explaining to her the law about debt collection, the statute of limitation for legal action on such a debt, and that threatened me with crime action was indeed, illegal, she first told me “do not tell me how to do my job … “. Eventually, she hung up.
poor reviews. This Marsha has told me that I’m being sued for nonpayment and that they need to be contacted by my lawyer and today wanted to know if I was going to defend myself or what. she says my account number is 14918-1219 also that my conscience would be suspended for 120 days WHAT LIC. and when I asked was given a list of possible lic that could be suspended including my drivers lic.
WERTH: I was, and what he told me was that even though Hilary
WERTH: He was communicating with CCRF’s chairman, a lawyer named Hilary Miller. He is the president of the Payday Loan Bar Association. And he’s testified before Congress on behalf of payday lenders. And as you can see in the e-mails between him and Fusaro, again the professor here, Miller was not only reading drafts of the paper but he was making all kinds of suggestions about the paper’s structure, its tone, its content. And finally what you see is Miller writing whole paragraphs that go pretty much verbatim straight into the finished paper.
That does sound sound, does not it? A typical credit card rate is around 15 percent, maybe 20 or higher if you have bad credit. But to the payday-loan industry, a proposal of 36 percent is not reasonable at all.
I had a similar call last week claiming I defaulted on a PDL from 2008 which I took out and also did pay back in full when it was due. They are threatening me with court and possible criminal prosecution for cheating fraud. The name of the person who called was Timothy and he was calling from something called ADR firm at behalf of his client. He said the client is BG Capital Associates and that they bought the debt from Money and More (who is the company I had the PDL through back in 2008. The phone # they called from and also had me back was 716-748-6566 and 716-748-6519. Has anybody heard of these people or had similar experience?
I received a voice mail today from some guy who identified herself as a “Carl Thomas”. He never told me who he was with or what his business was. He gave me a claim number and said that he had a pending wage garnishment order and a motion to suspend my drivers license. He left a number (877-601-5861 x261) I called the number to meet the guy but the number he gave was not a working number. So I called the number that appeared on my caller ID. A woman answered only by saying “what extension please”. What number did I call and she answered “an answer service”. So I gave the extension. I was connected with “Carl Thomas” and I advised him that I had received a message for someone and that the information he left on the voice was illegal by law debt collection. Carl Thomas got real mad real quick and told me I did not have to tell him how to do his “F # $ King job” and that if I did not give him the god * & am file number that I could go to hell and shove it. So after he hung up on me I called the answer service back and they advised me that it was a company called PDLR with a PO Box in Aurora, Illinois. The number to the “answer service” is 603-486-1900. Hope this helps.
I recently got a call from someone from a company called Alliance. They called my work number. When I called them back the man said that if I did not pay the loan back they would get me for fraud and breach of contract. I gave them my debit card information. I then did some research. I could not find the company’s information online and the company they said I owed number was disconnected. I cancelled my card and then call Alliance back and asked for a validation letter. The man said they were a paperless company and they could only send Emails. I told him I wanted in writing. Of course he refused and hung up. I got a call from the next day from another guy stating that the card was declined and I needed to handle it right now. I told him not without the letter I asked for. So I hung up. The next day I got a call from a lady stating that this was my final warning and I needed to contact them immediately. I never received the letter or Email and I still can not locate this company by the address they gave me, name or phone number. I was also contacted by another company named D 2 management. They said the same thing that I owed for a pay day loan. The lady identified himself as an officer. I have read online about this company and everyone is saying they are a scam. I have contacted the BBB and consumer affairs so far. I really want to know if these two companies are really scam companies. Please Help!
Ron – You sure should report this to your local law enforcement. There may not be a whole lot you can do but it’s important to file a complaint. (You can also file a complaint with your state attorney general and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.)
I received a call from Jonathan Andrews of Adams, Peterson and Irving stating I have a file placed with them that needs immediate attention. The caller said they would send the file to my county for prosecution. 844-580-7842 was the number on my caller ID … who has this experience? What was the result.
You are correct that you are required to give you the proof of the debt. Do you have a physical address for them? If so, you can write a letter and send it registered mail asking for written proof of the debt. If you are being taken to court, you will receive a “summary and complaint” by postal mail or delivered in person. It is a formal court document, not an email.
You may want to contact the IRS about the status of your tax return. I’m unaware as to why an outside company would be holding it or having access to it. (unless you have a judgment
These payday loan collectors are using a new scared tactic now. They are saying I’m filing fraud charges with your county and you will be summoned to court for fraud. I know you can not threaten a person over the phone but these are the calls I’ve got back to back
If your bank (banking) returns a debit entry to your bank account, then you must pay an additional return item fee of $ 15. We charge you only one return item per poster transaction no matter how many times the bank repays an item.
Next time they call them that you have told them to the authorities and that you would like to record the conversation. That’s very well stop them. If not, talk with your phone company to see if you can set up some kind of call block or call screening so they can not get through.
Just received a call from 1-888-553-2372 She said she was with ADR firm and said they would have to contact a friend of mine who used to be her contact for a payday loan so they could get her address to serve her with papers for fraudulent checks.
First, Mann wanted to gauge borrowers’ expectations – how long they thought it would take them to pay back a payday loan. So he created a survey that was given out to borrowers in a few dozen payday loan shops across five states.
A Review of the Department of Defense’s Report on Predatory Lending Practices Directed at Members of the Armed Forces and Their Dependents, hearing in the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing. & Urban Affairs, (September, 2006).
people had the same story about these people. So I called them back and I asked them to give me the address of their business location and he gave me 1001 State stree, more than 1400, Erie Pa. I googled this address and found out that this address belongs to Moody Law Offices 814-464-9464. I called Moody Law Office and asked them they were affiliated with Law firm Anthony H Rodriguez and they said they did not hear of them and they were not affiliated with them. I called Anthony H Rodriguez back and confronted them about this, and he started cursing and they hung up on me. I’m so happy I did not give them any money.
It may not even surprise you to learn that the Center for Responsible Lending – the non-profit that’s fighting predatory lending – that it was founded by a self-help Credit Union, which would likely stand to benefit from the elimination of payday loans. And that among the Center’s many funders are banks and other mainstream financial institutions.
I just got a call from this company saying I got a payday loan off line and I never paid for it. He gave me information that anyone could have gotten when you apply for a payday loan online. He said that I would be arrested and jailed if I did not pay $ 1,000 immediately when he stared saying this I asked for the name of the company and he was hesitant to give me the name and i gotggled it and found all of the complaints about the company. I did not believe it because none of the payday loans that I have, have been from the internet. It’s funny because I’m typing this one from USA CASH Advance # 904-900-8462. These people should be stopped.
I do not know what to do with my phone. I’m sorry, I do not know what to do. How did this person get my phone number I called the 877 number and this, guy said I had a case for fraud with cash net and that I had to make arrangements or there would be a sheriff at my house within 45 minutes to summon me for the debt obviously i freaked out i did not want to go to jail they had my social address all of my information so i made arrangements with them i would like to know i was scammed? Please help I’m about to go in the Navy I do not need any problems with the law!
On the other hand, this leaves about 40 percent of borrowers who were not good at predicting when they would pay the loan off. And Mann found a correlation between bad predictions and past payday loans.
This is a common tactic that is used to scare you into pay without questioning the validity of the debt. There are laws in place that protect you from debt collectors and they have to abide by those laws (if they are legitimate and not scams). For more on what to do and say when a debt collector calls, this resource will help: What to Do if Debt Collector Calls
Second question: Did this collection agency send you a notice of the debt by mail? Under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, agencies are required to send you a written notice of the debt within 5 business days of their initial contact with you. This is not optional – it is required by law and it must contain specific information. Did you ever get something like that?
Miller was making substantial changes to the paper, CCRF did not exercise editorial control. That is, he says, he still had complete academic freedom to accept or reject Miller’s changes. Here’s Fusaro:
I’ve been receiving phone calls from a person who claims to be an investigator and tells me there are charges pending against me for a payday loan from 2009. He gave me the name of a collection agency (Global) that I called and they told me the same thing I really took out a payday loan in 2009 from this “money and more” online company. The loan was repaid and I even faxed copies of the bank statements showing this back in 2009. They say the copies of these statements are not in my file. And this “INVESTIGATOR” well his phone does not accept incoming calls, and he wants me to give him my address to send me sealed documents! I did not give any of my information as I see it, if he found out my cell phone number, then he can find out my address. This man was very rude, very aggressive and very threatening. He continues to call my phone 4 & 5 times a day. I do not know how to get rid of these people. This man, I do not know his name or who he wors for, he gave me no information, only that there were charges against me and my state “bad check writing laws” would be against me as well, pending criminal charges … ..I which often have internet access … but i get my e-mail on my phone, so if anyone would like to e-mail me with helpful information it would be much appreciated. Thank You
I made the stupid mistake, and because I was unemployed, but go back to work. I took out loans but started a new job, so I was not worried about paying them back. Well I lost my job and was unable. I’m looking for work, but I’m now getting calls from people other than I borrowed from. (capitol solutions) They are a scam from what I read. They threaten to have my paperwork sent to the court house, come to my house
Our cash solutions are only possible if you pay us back. We make every effort to lend you money responsibly so that you are able to pay us back without any difficulty. The cost of your loan is straight forward and there are no surprises.
of course, I got VERY upset! The thought of being locked up from my husband and our kids scared the hot piss outta me! So I went ahead and gave them my pre-paid debit card info and told them that we would try to pay when our money came in and then we wanted to know when we filed. then he put me on to call their client and when he returned to the phone he said we need $ 25 on 2
about a year ago very threatening and I initially set up a payment. When I found all the scam info online I have not got that account. I honestly do not remember if I had a payday loan default I do not remember having one. They called again but the guy said he was a fraud investigator for the commonwealth of pa and I would be brought up on all of these bogus sounding charges of fraud bad checks etc from a loan probably from 2008. He also knew I have a misdemeanor record and brought it up to me which is what scared me. When I said I know this is a scam he got furious said he would love to see me get prosecuted. I just said anything and hung up. Googled the phone number he left on vm was 8558870097 and it def seems like a scam. Latest loans from my research are illegal in and even if I did have said the default loan which I do not believe I did the statute of limitations on the debt on the 4 years fraud 2 years. I obviously realize the only fraud is these people but I still can not help but worry about this.
I received a call from [redacted] indicating that she had an order to complete about the charges for distribution of fraudulant text related to the social security number and provided she would be serving these documents to me at my home address. address] today and if service could not be made they would contact my employer and inform them that service would take place at their premises. She said if I had any questions or wanted to set an alternative service to contact the complainant’s attorney at [redacted]. I work at an attorney’s office so I brought this to the attention of an attorney in our office. He called the number, and identified himself as my attorney. The gentleman was very rude and said he could not discuss it with him without a letter of recommendation and that when I received the papers I could bring them to the attorney to review. When he said I was present and would like to ask what was about he still refused to give any information and again said to wait for the papers to be served. My attorney asked him if he was familiar with the fair debt practice act and the gentleman said it was not about a debt. I later called him back if he could please let me know what was all about and he again refused because he says I have a counsel, though he previously refused to tell my attorney any information because there was no letter of representation. The man was very rude and hung up on me. I called back and again asked to please be given any information about the issue, he said he could give me information but was choosing not to and again hung up on me. I called back and said it was a policy to not discuss the matter if I am represented by the counsel. I asked if their company [redacted] was the one suing me or someone else and he said it was them. I asked if he could please at least tell me what court was being filed in. After a very exasperated sigh and some computer typing, he said it was being filed in [county I lived in 8 years ago] through the office of [provided the name of prosecuting attorney for that office]. I then called that prosecuting attorney’s office and let them know about the call and asked if they had any cases with my name, which they did not have and suggested that maybe it was a civil case. I then called the circuit clerk’s office and again told them the situation and asked if anything had been filed with my name and they had nothing. After bringing this information back to my attorney he said it was very likely to scam and to inform the Attorney General’s office. I called and gave the Attorney General’s office all the information and was again told that it was very likely a scam. I suppose we will see if I have anything to do in the next few days …
This has all the hallmarks of the payday loan collection scam that’s happening all over the country. I am quite confident you will not be served with any kind of papers. Even if they could sue you, they could not suspend your license! (As you say, what is the license?)
in giving your money to scammers. First, you can ask the caller to verify the debt. By law, you are entitled to documentation, sent via postal mail, which shows the debt is yours. You can find more information here: The Ultimate Guide to Debt Collection. Please read it, and do not pay money you do not have.
Even though there may not be a lot you can do about the call, it may be worthwhile to file a complaint with your state attorney general and with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
Today I came in from a stressful day, phone rings and it’s some stupid chick telling me I was going to be served and did not call this number at ADR – 877-801-8348. I asked her what was she talking about. She said, “I can not tell you the records are sealed!” She said, “If you call this number that will prevent you from a lot of trouble!” I said “No thanks, I would rather know what the trouble is , serve me! “I live in a remote part of the country – PO Box only – I also knew I had not been responsible for anything illegal. Have been a grown up now for several years and knew -my life was clean! I told her if she called me back that I was going to turn her into the AG’s Office and hung up. A few minutes later my mom called some girl was looking for me and I needed to call that number. My mom is 83 and we just went through the lost, my dad and my brother-in-law. None of us need this at anytime in our lives. I WILL turn them into the authorities if they call me back. I hope everybody else will do the same. I told my mom not to even think about talking to them or anyone else who can not identify themselves or their company. It’s a shame such evil lives in our world … find a job, do something honest for a change. We have enough crap going on without these scumsuckers bothering us or moreso our parents! BTY the girls name was CORY.
Let me introduce myself. I am Senior Affidavit Processor Officer Alicia Fields from State Investigation Department. We have been trying to reach you since a couple of days about a serious matter about a lawsuit filed on your name that you are doing some fraud and criminal activities.
I have been arrested and jailed on felony charges. I asked for a company name and was told it was the Office of Financial Affairs and was given two numbers … .one that is listed for Nebraska and one for Ohio … ladies call themselves Inspector Stewart and Amy Strickland …… they would not tell me who the alleged lender is other than Direct Lending who is affiliated with cashnet USA, payday lending … ..they had my social number, last known work place and checking actor number as well as my mailing address … .they hung up on me once when I asked questions and then “Inspector Stewart” had to go to someone else when she could not answer my questions and then became rude and told me that I needed to shut up long enough for her to tell me what would happen to me if I don ‘ t settle today out of court … ..they are very convincing except for the fact that I have no loans with anyone like that …… i spoke to my bank to give them a head up
Just to be clear, these are not collectors trying to collect legitimate debts. Most of the complaints on our forums, and to the AG AG include consumers who have never taken a payday loan, or who may have initiated one but never actually secured the loan. In some cases, the “collector” has detailed information about the victim – such as name, address and social security number – which makes the debt appear to be real.
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I took out a loan from Check N Go about a year ago and I just started to pay it off. A debt collector agency named the PDL Recovery Group started calling me and threatening me if I did not start a payment plan, check N Go was going to take me to court and start garnishing my salary.
Have a message today from “Courtney” claiming to be a self-employed server and that I am scheduled to be published on the 21st. She said she normally does not call forward but because of the situation she was this time. She said if I was uncomfortable receiving papers for which I did not know about that to contact the originating company. Then she left their number 855-461-0744 and a “case number”. The first thing I did is try to lookup the phone number but no reference to it anywhere on the interwebs? Okay, start to sound fishy. So I call the number, but of course it’s after 7pm Eastern (4: 30p for me) so I get a chance to leave a voicemail. The voicemail greeting was for Jonathan Vadeer?
I’m very leary about calling them back and giving them my current address as I do not have them to have another piece of the puzzle if this is a scam. It’s just that the lady not only sounded sympathetic but did give me good good advice in this case is the theft ID. but again if the debt was real and even if someone used my ID to get these loans the PayDay Loan companies had a current and active bank account that could have accessed.
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