WERTH: It’s hard to say. Actually, we just do not know. But whatever their incentive might be, their FOIA applications have produced what looks like some pretty damning e-mails between CCRF – which, again, receives funding from payday lenders – and academic researchers who have written about payday lending.
First, understand your rights when dealing with a collector. If you read through this comment, you will see many examples of fake payday loan scam collectors using scare tactics to coerce victims in paying up without researching the debt or verifying that they actually have it. In your case, if you’re positive you paid the old payday loan in full, it’s quite possible that it’s a scam. Fortunately, there are laws in place that protect you from debt collectors and they have to abide by those laws (if they are legitimate and not scams). For more on what to do and say when a debt collector calls, this resource will help: What to Do if Debt Collector Calls
I received a recorded call at work that said I had written a bad check and would be sent court papers at home or at work that day. The message then left 1888-786-0630 or 1888-390-5129 to call to try to settle or plan a payment plan. I got really scared and called the number. The lady said she was from Johnson York LLC and that they are middle man to recover past due payday loans. I do not think I owe this debt, but I was so shaken that I paid them $ 50, and set up a payment plan of $ 200 a month to pay a total of $ 960.00. She sent me an email receipt but it does not look legitimate to me. Their logo is weird, there is no address, and no website. She said it’s a loan with quick cash. I tried to google quick cash and nothing comes up. I do not want to keep them if this is a scam, and I guess the worst that could happen is to be served or have my check garnished? I just do not like the fact that they are calling my work place. Should I call them back and ask them for their address, business license and for the original paperwork for the debt? I’m not sure if this is a real collection agency. Please help!
Have you pulled your credit reports yet? If there was an unpaid balance from the payday loan you took out a while back, it could have been sent to the collections and increased interest interest over the years. If the account is in the collections or it is the result of a judgment against you and it has been reported to the credit bureau, it will appear on your credit report. You can get free copies of your credit report from each of the major credit reporting agencies at AnnualCreditReport.com. Keep us posted on what you find out!
DEYOUNG: Yes, I like to think of myself as an objective observer of social activity, as an economist. But there is one section of the blog where we highlight mixed evidence. That helps you to reduce the risk of money at home level. And we also point to, I believe, an equal number of studies in that section that find the exact opposite. And then of course there is another section in the blog where we point directly to rollovers and rollovers is where the rubber hits the road on this. If we can somehow predict which folks will not be able to handle this product and will roll it over incessantly, then we can impress on payday lenders not to make the loans to those people. This product, in fact, is especially badly suited to predict this because the payday lender gets a small number of pieces of information when she makes the loan, as opposed to the information that a regulated financial institution would collect. The cost of collecting that information, of underwriting the loan in the traditional way that a bank would be, would be too high for the payday to offer the product. If we load up additional costs on the production of these loans, the loans will not be profitable any longer.
DUBNER: Well, Christopher, that defense sounds, at least to me, like pretty weak sauce. I mean, the university writing center does not have as much vested interest in the outcome of my writing as an industry group does for an academic paper about that industry, right?
Nona – There are a few options for trying to stop them but it’s not easy when you’re dealing with a scam. If they were legitimate collectors, and traceable – where they could be held accountable under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, consumers would recourse to sue them. However, with scams, it’s a little more difficult … but there are some options that may help – you can file a complaint with your local law enforcement, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and your state attorney general.
I have received many of the same calls. I also received a call from the National Check Fraud Center who said they had a warrant for my arrest ready and processed and sent to the sheriffs department in my county. Unfortunately I’m one of the ones who was so scared that I did pay. I had a bankruptcy and the payday loan was unfortunately included. The debt has been discharged. The National Check Fraud Center said on voice mail to consider myself as I would and that this was illegal and could not be counted in a bankruptcy. Anything on the National Check Fraud Center?
Some other academic research we’ve mentioned today does not recognize the role of CCRF in providing industry data – like Jonathan Zinman’s paper which showed that people suffered from the disappearance of payday-loan shops in Oregon. Here’s what Zinman writes in an author’s note: “Thanks to the Consumer Credit Research Foundation (CCRF) for providing home survey data. CCRF is a non-profit organization, funded by payday lenders, with the mission of funding objective research. CCRF did not exercise any editorial control over this paper. ”
Do not let one of these companies scare you into making payments if you’re not sure you owe the debt. In most cases, collectors must first take you to court and get a judgment before they can go after your pay or property.
I received a calling phone call from number 701-212-1223 stating that I had owed a payday lone in the price of $ 2097.00 and that if i did not care about this that there would be a sherrif at my door to take me to jail and for e to appear in court.
the eyes of the company i owe it to? Not to mention, if I really did have these debts – where are they on my credit report? So I asked that ALL communications from their company, and the “server” Alex be stopped – they are not to contact me at my place of employment, nor any of my family that have been contacted. So frustrating to know that this company is able to do this.
ERVIN BANKS: I do not see anything wrong with them. I had some back bills I had to pay off. So it did not take me too long to pay it back – about three months, something like that. They are beautiful people.
, blah, blah blah. Some people have been middle east, but some are not. I tried to leave a message to call me back but no answer. I went on the net tonight, and have been enlightened. I have to cancel my checking acct. because I gave them my info. I feel so gullable. Just because I gave them auth. for auto withdrawl. Don, do it, please just deal with the companies you took out the loan with !!!
Back when he was a private businessman, Trump learned how to use law as a weapon. The lesson he took from that is that if your pockets are deep enough – and your conscience dull enough – it does not matter that you are wrong. The other party will be broken before you will lose.
Most of these scammers are hard to track, and if they are in other countries it makes it even more difficult. However, you may want to try filing a police report, and then file a complaint with the CFPB at consumerfinance.gov.
The explanation for this is not simple, and a variety of economic jargon floats around the issue. But it’s all started with this: The typical payday-consumer loan is too desperate, too unsophisticated, or too exhausted from being treated with disrespect by traditional lenders to engage in shopping. So demand is what economists call price tax. As Clarence Hodson, who published a book in 1919 about the business of small loans, put it, “It is not possible for bargain to benefit with cupidity.” In its last financial year, Advance America, one of the country’s largest payday lenders, wrote, “We believe that the main competitive factor is customer service, rental, convenience, speed, and confidentiality.” You will notice it did not mention the price.
Hello I hope someone can help me please. I received A call from a guy saying he’s from Empire Mediation & Arbitration Service LLC. That they are taking me to court for defaulting on a payday loan with check n go. That I’m going to face a judge and there’s asking 2815 but if I pay today they’re willing to settle for 412.50. Originally my loan was 255.00. witch I got in 2008. I told them to send me a validation debut letter he said I can email you a settlement letter that they supposedly sent me a while ago. They had my old address But I never got anything because my mom lives there. So there is a saying that I’m going to get served with court papers and I have to face a judge also they want 2,815.00 for fees. Does this sound right please help. I called check n go they said they sold my case in 2009 and they have nothing to do with my case no more and that they are not suing me But they do not know who else has my case since the company they sell it too went out of business. Please help I must pay the 412.50. I do not work or have the money sine I take acre of my daughter who had cancer. Thank you
Help !! I keep receiving calls [from a woman] stating she is from dept of investigations out if it’s housed in the internet payday lian I tool in 2006. Since then I filed bankruptcy in 2010 I do not know if included in bankruptcy cause if they sell it I whose name she keeps threatening me with stop and desist I have paid them sone money like $ 1500.00 and she said if I didnt make arrangements they would turn ovrr yo stste and have me arrested for fraud I do not know whst to do and I on disability now and cant go to jail. Please help with any advice sndo took money adsin out my account wuthout permission. Any advice ?? She said I wrote bank check I told her I did not give them a check in 2006
6pm rcvd calls repeatedly from Michael Moore of “Fraud Office” trying to collect a debt from November 2008, which I’m sure I do not have to Money and More. Alledges, to Jasmine Wright and Maria Sanches that I have commited fraud and a warrant would be issued for my arrest if I do not send $ 1107.15 thru Money Gram and am harrased to send it immediately or expect to be arrested by 8am the next day . After several calls from my attorney to the # 5133994987, left messages, etc., no calls for a few hours now.
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Last night, I received a call from a woman and she just told me her name was “Miss Riely.” She said that a company has filed a claim against my social security because I had a outstanding balance on a PDL. She said that if I did not pay the amount of cash or a settlement amount I would receive a court order Wage Garnishment. First of all, I have no comfirmed to receive PDL and other than providing basic info to see if I qualify I never confirmed nor received a PDL from ANY company. I just do not understand how that can do this ?? So here I have a deadline to go and get money to send to the company’s debt collection and not get a Wage Garnishment.
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Payday loan scam – 804-728-0872 call my job asking for the manager over 100 times a day, saying, “I have to pay money from an old payday loan debt – I contacted the police about it. Used several different phone numbers to call me on, couldnt speak english well. Wanted to find out personal information about me from other people, etc. Very bad man.
I got a voicemail yesterday from Jacklyn Shriver or Traver (could not understand her). She addressed me with my full name and then said “also known as” and said my maiden name. She sounded very stern and threatening. She said she had to check out some info, kind of rambled about different things, basically saying if I do not contact the firm she will show up in person at my home or place of employment. Instructed me to call the firm at 1-877-698-2249 and said something like “you have been notified.
Just be sure you have enough money in your account on those days, otherwise you can face overdraft fees and other penalties from your bank. If you are not able to make a payment, please call us at 888.801.9075.
Edit: I’ve seen that the original debt is “real debt,” and while the original debt may be real, even if you’ve paid in full and can prove it, it gets resold over and over. Check out John Oliver’s story. His show is investigated and these are small-time debt collectors depending on fooling people in paying to avoid legal action that rarely, if ever, happens. He bought $ 14 million in medical debt for $ 60k and erased it for thousands of people being harassed for debts that had been paid.
Next time they call them that you have told them to the authorities and that you would like to record the conversation. That’s very well stop them. If not, talk with your phone company to see if you can set up some kind of call block or call screening so they can not get through.
There is a long and often twisted history of industries co-opting scientists and other academic researchers to produce findings that make their industries look safe or more reliable or otherwise better than they really are. Whenever we talk about academic research on this show – which is pretty much every week – we try to show the provenance of that research and establish how legitimate it is. The best first step in figuring that out is to ask what kind of incentives are at play. But that is only one step.
I have to warn you that even some of the attorneys I know who regularly sue debt collectors who break the law will not touch the cases that involve payday loans. Even if they are successful defending the client, they tell me, they can not collect. This may not be the case with all collectors, but I have to warn you that you can be dealing with very aggressive collection agencies here.
This morning I received a call, and my father did as well, from 716-244-6551. I was given a number ID. I do not answer unknown numbers. I call back after hearing a voice mail. My dad told me that they issued a warrant for my arrest in Bexar County. I called them back because the voicemail they left was basically stating the same thing.
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So far I’ve closed the account and opened up a new one. Put fraud alert on my credit reports and requested from my bank transactions from the years of the CRS Solutions have me the loans were supposedly taken out.
I took out a loan from Check N Go about a year ago and I just started to pay it off. A debt collector agency named the PDL Recovery Group started calling me and threatening me if I did not start a payment plan, check N Go was going to take me to court and start garnishing my salary.
MANN: If your first is that none of the people using this product would do it if they really understood what was going on – well, that just does not seem to
I’ve been getting calls from strange numbers lately so I have not answered. On 10
In either case, take notes of the conversation. In the event they sue you (which would be very rare if either of the scenarios I described are correct) you could show up and explain to the judge how they did not comply with the FDCPA. You could rent an attorney to sue them. If you win you would be entitled to damages and they would have to pay your attorney fees.
First, Mann wanted to gauge borrowers’ expectations – how long they thought it would take them to pay back a payday loan. So he created a survey that was given out to borrowers in a few dozen payday loan shops across five states.
No, contacting Social Security does not make sense unless you need to change your SSN which is not something easily done (or recommended). However, your information is “out there” so you may want to file a police report and at least place fraud alert on your credit reports.
Paul – I know it’s not easy, but stop stressing. These guys are sitting in some of the country’s most popular people as they can. They can not hurt you. So understand that and do not let them scare you.
That said, make sure you keep track of who you talked with, when, what they said etc. Ask them to send you written verification of the debt. If they appear to be breaking the law, do not hesitate to call them out on it. Read: 11 Ways Debt Collectors May Be Breaking The Law. You may report to the FTC, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the Better Business Bureau, and your state attorney general office and send the collection agency a copy of your complaint. (If you can get their address.)
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I received the same call yesterday and today from Eric Brown threathening to come to my place of employment and have me served. When asked for his company name, phone number he said I havd been warded. He starts off having a lot of personal information address, phone number really scary. How do they get all this? He has been calling my cell phone everyday today with threats. I have his messa saved on voice mail. He also informs me to contact 877-418-8244 Pay Day Solutions. His number is always unavailable. Will contact Attornet General and FTC today. How can we stop this?
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sure now it was a scam.
I did, however, take out a payday loan from a company named Cash Web, who promptly sold my info to a company called Hydra Loans. Perfect name as they had dozens of other such businesses. They put money in my account, though I never saw a contract or signed a thing; not even a phone call I paid them back the principle immediately but they still tried to get money out of my account (not even on paydays though they claim I applied for the loan and spoke to someone on the phone to set it up). I had to close my account and open a new one to stop them. Now, years later I’ll get these calls or letters, but nothing will ever happen. I ignore them, but if I had the time and money, I would love to get them I to court.
Crystal – Old payday loan collection effort like this is very often scams. So you should proceed very cautiously and assume it is a scam unless they can really prove otherwise. Ask them to send you a written notice of the debt by snail mail, not email. (Email is too easy to be fake) it’s a good idea to get it out of the world.
my son just got something in the mail. It claimed that checks were insufficient for a payment. I have wondered if it’s just a scam or fraud by someone using his ID ?? Told him to check with his bank and report this to the police.
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I’m getting calls often, different numbers, started about a week ago.It is scary, and upsetting.Latest is from 1-718-841-6480.Thaey call work, threatens to file charges against me, I will be arrested if I don i pay.A guy tried to get me $ 560 immediately.I didn’t.Help
Just received a call from 9206364434 saying I had committed bank fraud theft and a host of other charges and I was going to go to jail, very aggressive and could barely understand him. He did not understand the F word though.
We had a call from Marshall & Fields law office in California, they said, demanding attorney info on an old loan back to 2009 from paydayone, well that has been paid for, then they wanted info, then they called my brother as he was listed I’m sorry, they gave me a number to call back to 740-364-0537 ,, they guy couldnt speak any english but ask the info he asked well i hang up and wait for the next call ,, I hope he understands english as he is going to get an earfull
These payday loan collectors are using a new scared tactic now. They are saying I’m filing fraud charges with your county and you will be summoned to court for fraud. I know you can not threaten a person over the phone but these are the calls I’ve got back to back
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