I can not wait to talk to these jokers tomorrow and hear the BS. What type of process server would call and warn someone they were getting served on a specific day? Duh, they get paid only they serve the papers!
If you find some of the modern economic scenario, most people have at least one horse in every race, which makes it difficult to separate advocacy and reality. So let’s go where Freakonomics Radio often goes when we want to find someone who does not have a horse in the race: to academia. Let’s ask some academic researchers if the payday-loan industry is really as nasty as it looks.
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I have been receiving calls from what sounds like the same group of folks. Starting last week I had a message from “Justin Jones” stating that I had to contact him immediately or have my attorney contact him that I would be sorry. If he did not hear from me that I would face some serious legal actions. He also said that they would come to my workplace or home and I will be the only responsible person for further legal consequences and that I should call him bsck as soon as possible before it too late. Thank you and have a blessed day, goodbye. It was very broken Indian dialect. I returned the call and spoke to Derek Anderson. Apparently Justin Jones is one of his “officers.” I was told that They would be willing to settle for $ 998 in place of the $ 1795.00 they said I owed them through Advance Payday Loan. I have never taken a payday loan. I had to give him a debit card or send a payment via Western Union right away or they would have the sheriff come to me on the following three charges. 1 breach of federal banking laws 2 Collateral check fraud, and 3 Theft by deception. I asked for a physical address so that I could send the funds via overnight delivery or some other traceable method. He did not want to give me a physical address but after much questioning from me he gave me an address of 633 Marimbo Street New York, NY 10023 But that they would not accept mail payments, only Western Union (he forgot about the debit and credit card at this point)
Ann, I just got a call last week from the same phone number. A “Juan Hernandez” has called me saying I owed on a payday loan; that it was taken out in 2008 and when the company tried to collect in 2009, there were insufficient funds. They are threatening to suspend my driver’s license unless I pay them $ 300 within 48 hours – after that, it becomes $ 1400. I was so upset, I went to the bank and got all my bank statements from December 2008 to present. Nothing returned for insufficient funds. Mr. Hernandez just called me at work today and I’m about to call him back. What a scam – happy you did not fall for it!
I just got a call from this company saying I got a payday loan off line and I never paid for it. He gave me information that anyone could have gotten when you apply for a payday loan online. He said that I would be arrested and jailed if I did not pay $ 1,000 immediately when he stared saying this I asked for the name of the company and he was hesitant to give me the name and i gotggled it and found all of the complaints about the company. I did not believe it because none of the payday loans that I have, have been from the internet. It’s funny because I’m typing this one from USA CASH Advance # 904-900-8462. These people should be stopped.
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We are working on some of our payday loans clients and they are getting these same calls. One of the customers were scared in paying them until I looked it up. They said they were from payday loan recovery group. Saying she owed a loan from 2008 for 1,200 and she could pay it in full for $ 399. She was scared in paying but I told her to cancel her creid card before it went through. They send her an invoice on the decline. The processing company is http:
Tell me that I owe a paydate loan and that I need to call her and make arrangements. She is calling me on my job and on a new cell number that I have. Now she is calling my family and threatening them That they are going to arrest me. Please help. 800-290-1065. SHe calls three times a day or more. Help.
Oh and they said it was for a payday loan, the lender was American Credit Services. When I said I never got a payday loan, he said he did not care where the money went but stealing it if I do not pay it back.
I received a call from [redacted] indicating that she had an order to complete about the charges for distribution of fraudulant text related to the social security number and provided she would be serving these documents to me at my home address. address] today and if service could not be made they would contact my employer and inform them that service would take place at their premises. She said if I had any questions or wanted to set an alternative service to contact the complainant’s attorney at [redacted]. I work at an attorney’s office so I brought this to the attention of an attorney in our office. He called the number, and identified himself as my attorney. The gentleman was very rude and said he could not discuss it with him without a letter of recommendation and that when I received the papers I could bring them to the attorney to review. When he said I was present and would like to ask what was about he still refused to give any information and again said to wait for the papers to be served. My attorney asked him if he was familiar with the fair debt practice act and the gentleman said it was not about a debt. I later called him back if he could please let me know what was all about and he again refused because he says I have a counsel, though he previously refused to tell my attorney any information because there was no letter of representation. The man was very rude and hung up on me. I called back and again asked to please be given any information about the issue, he said he could give me information but was choosing not to and again hung up on me. I called back and said it was a policy to not discuss the matter if I am represented by the counsel. I asked if their company [redacted] was the one suing me or someone else and he said it was them. I asked if he could please at least tell me what court was being filed in. After a very exasperated sigh and some computer typing, he said it was being filed in [county I lived in 8 years ago] through the office of [provided the name of prosecuting attorney for that office]. I then called that prosecuting attorney’s office and let them know about the call and asked if they had any cases with my name, which they did not have and suggested that maybe it was a civil case. I then called the circuit clerk’s office and again told them the situation and asked if anything had been filed with my name and they had nothing. After bringing this information back to my attorney he said it was very likely to scam and to inform the Attorney General’s office. I called and gave the Attorney General’s office all the information and was again told that it was very likely a scam. I suppose we will see if I have anything to do in the next few days …
ITS FAKE IF YOU HAVE SOCIAL SITES AND THEY CAN GET INFO FROM SITES AND PAY TO GET YOUR PERSONAL INFO THINGS ARE HACKED SUCK AS EMAILS THAT’S Y THERE IS SPAM JUST MAKE SURE YOUR MOM DO NOT GIVE THEM MONEY THAT’S ALL THEY WANT IF IT WAS REAL JUST ASK THEM TO SEND SOMETHING IN THE MAIL THEY ALWAYS SAY WE CANT WHICH IS A LIE IF THEY ARE A REAL COMPANY IF YOUR MOM SENT MONEY ALREADY TELL HER REQUEST A REFUND FROM THE PREPAID CARD COMPANY ASAP AND CALL LOCAL POLICE DEPT I HOPE THIS HELPS THE INTERNET CAN BE YOU BEST FRIEND OR YOUR WORST ENEMY GUD LUCK
I’m getting calls often, different numbers, started about a week ago.It is scary, and upsetting.Latest is from 1-718-841-6480.Thaey call work, threatens to file charges against me, I will be arrested if I don i pay.A guy tried to get me $ 560 immediately.I didn’t.Help
Whatever you want to call it – wage deflation, structural unemployment, the absence of good-paying jobs – is not that a bigger problem? And, if so, what’s to be done about that? Next time on Freakonomics Radio, we will continue this conversation by looking at a strange, controversial proposal to make sure everyone’s got enough money to get by.
Diane Standaert is the director of state policy at the Center for Responsible Lending, which has offices in North Carolina, California, and Washington, D.C. The CRL calls itself a “nonprofit, non-partisan organization” with a focus on “fighting predatory lending practices.” You’ve probably figured out that the CRL is anti-payday loan. Standaert argues that payday loans are often not used how the industry markets them, as a quick solution to a short-term emergency.
Same phone number only was a Tina, wanted to pay me $ 690.00 to pay off pay day, asked for the original bill said they didn; t have it, gave me 1 week then garnishment called my lawyer yet to hear back.
Turn the tables on this caller. Tell her you have written written notice of the debt which is your right under federal law. If she refuses to give it to her you will be recording all future calls to turn over the authorities.
Recd a call from 877-269-0088 from Miss Rios stating that I had 5000 for a payday loan first of all you could not take that much money and the second of all if it was from 2 yrs ago and when I asked them to send docs They said they did not have I told them I do not pay anything unless I signed it and I have copies of it. They threaten to garnish my wages, they could not understand what they were from. Then just today I call from phone number 877-258-1188 from Miss Berry stating that my payment was not gone thru well duh not i did not have anything and she left me a msg to call her back in 2 days as she was going to garnish my salary fat I worked for the federal govt and they wld love to see this come thru talk about jail time i am lmao on this one already contacted authorities and changed bank accts BEWARE THEY ARE IDIOTS
It’s frightening, to be sure, but scammers use that fear to get people to pay money they do not really owe. Before you pay anything, make sure you owe it, and that they own the debt. (They are required by law to send you a “validation of the debt” by postal mail.) Please do not agree to pay via a pre-card debit card. More about that here: The Way You Should Never Pay a Debt Collector.
Just received a call from PDLR Recovery systems about a payday loan that was supposedly taken out 2 or 3 years ago and they were willing to settle for $ 500.00. I had originally made an arrangement with them. I then called them to cancel the arrangement at which time they said they were going to call my office and start the garnishment proceedings. After reading your cover page and asking for the actual credit information as well as information to the collection they worked for, they suddenly hang up. Thank you for the advice.
Maybe that’s about as good as it gets on the fringe. Outrage is easy, and outrage is warranted-but maybe payday lenders should not be its main target. The problem is not just that people who desperately need a $ 350 loan can not get it at a affordable rate, but that a growing number of people need that loan in the first place.
the phone, because I had not received any correspondence from the company. He told me it was not their responsibility to chase me down to collect a debt, that it was my responsibility to take care of it myself. As their lawyer, I could pay him and it would all go away. I said no, and he hung up on me, laughing, quite rudely, stating, “Have fun rotting in prison.”
In a vicious cycle, the higher the permitted fees, the more stores, the lesser customers each store serves, so the higher the fees need to be. Competition, in other words, does reduce profits to lenders, as expected – but it seems to carry no benefit to consumers, at least as measured by the rates they are charged. (The old loan sharks may have been able to charge lower rates because of lower overhead, although it’s impossible to know.) Mayer thinks the explanation may have more to do with the differences in the customer base: Because alternative alternatives were sparse back then, these lenders served a more diverse and overall more creditworthy set of borrowers, so default rates were likely lower.)
They are so far breaking the law. I have not received a written statement regarding the debt of these payday loans. and they have threatened dire consequences multiple times (number 5 in your article), they definitely call earlier
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with a case # So I immediately called back and a lady answered as “United” and asked for my case #. I gave it to her and she said I owe for a PDL from Sept 2011 with ACE. I do not remember having a loan with them. I have had PDLs before and thought I’ve forgot about it. I Todd them I’m on maternity leave and have no income. Then she transferred me to her supervisor because she was monitoring the call and wanted to try and work something out with me. He asked if Ihad people I can borrow the money from because if it does not get paid I will go to court and be charged with fraud check. Scared the crap out of me! So he said I can pay $ 150 by Jan 25th and the rest by Feb 22. I asked why I never got anything in the mail. He asked if the address he had was right, it was an address that I moved out of in June 2011. So he said that’s why. He said I had to get the payment plan with a debit card. I was stupid and gave it to him. The last few days I’ve been thinking about it because I just did not remember this loan. Then I remembered that in AZ they have no real payday loans, they were outlawed in 2010. Now they give you a loan off your car registration or title. So if I defaulted then they would have come and taken my car. Also, IF you give them a check it has to be a voided check. So how can I have a bad check if they can not cash it being that it was voided? So … .does it sounds like my situation is also a scam? If so I probably need to cancel my card.
While it may not be possible to stop these scams (they are typically coming from overseas and may be out of reach of US law enforcement), US lawmakers have to try to stop them at the source. They need to crack down on the websites where consumers are entering their personal information that is then compromised.
was surprised that I was not served. The guy said if I got served he could not help me. He said I wrote the check in 2007 and the client wants to take me to court for $ 5408 which is 4 years of interest. I think it’s a scam. I do not remember the name of the company. Is this most likely a scam? He only asked for my last 4 numbers of my Social security number ..
Tricia – You can ask the “firm” for proof of the debt. By law, the company must provide this to you. The firm can not serve you. Understanding Your Debt Collection Rights. Scammers sometimes get their money by frightening people; try to stay calm, and do not be intimidated in paying money you do not have to.
DUBNER: Hey Christopher. So, as I understand it, much of what you’ve learned about CCRF’s involvement in the payday research comes from a watchdog group called the Campaign for Accountability, or CFA? So, first off, tell us a bit more about them, and what their incentives may be.
DeYOUNG: We need to do more research and try to find out the best ways to regulate rather than the rules that are being pursued now that would eventually shut down the industry. I do not want to come as a advocate of payday lenders. That’s not my position. My position is I want to make sure the users of payday loans who are using them responsibly and who are made better by them do not lose access to this product.
And yet it is surprisingly difficult to condemn the business wholesale. Emergency credit can be a lifeline, after all. And while stories about the payday-lending industry’s individual victims are horrible, the research on its effect at a more macro level is limited and very ambiguous. One study shows that payday lending makes local communities more resilient; another says it increases personal bankruptcies; and so on.
In your case it sounds so much like the rest of the scams others have shared here on this post so it’s wise to keep on guard. The next time they call, try to get as much contact information about the company – including address, contact phone, name, etc. – then ask them to please provide written documentation in the mail to validate the debt. As we have stated in previous posts, this is a standard procedure when dealing with any debt collector and by law, the collector must comply with this request. If they refuse, they are breaking the law under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act and have no right to continue to try to collect. In fact, under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, if a collector contacts you by phone they have 5 days in which to send you formal written notice that you owe the debt. The notice must include the amount of the debt, the name of the creditor, and your right to dispute the debt, in writing, within 30 days of receipt of the notice.
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Thanks for sharing, Brooke. It always amazes us with some of the threats and claims these guys make: “Somebody would be here Friday at 11:00 a.m. to take me to California for my court on Monday at 11:00 pm “So, they’ll pick you up, drive or fly you to California for court, and put you up in a hotel for two nights while you wait for your short date on Monday? I’m almost speechless.
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