“If these people are taking me to my local court should they not have this info?” By law, they have no right to collect. This is a standard procedure when dealing with any debt collector and under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, the collector must comply with this request. In fact, under the law, if a collector contacts you by phone they have 5 days in which to send you formal written notice that you owe the debt. The notice must include the amount of the debt, the name of the creditor, and your right to dispute the debt, in writing, within 30 days of receipt of the notice.
I’ve been getting phone messages from a place that calls themselves “fraud division” with a Nebraska number claiming that it had taken out a loan in 2013 (which I have not), they claim that if I did not come up with 1169.50 of which I had to pay half today that they were going to forward the
DeYoung, along with three co-authors, recently published an article about payday loans on Liberty Street Economics. That’s a blog run by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Another co-author, Donald Morgan, is Assistant Vice President at the New York Fed. The article is entitled “Reframing the Debate About Payday Lending.”
This new collection agency calls itself Robert Anderson Associates (ph: (844-260-5843) and they have purchased the old debt and claim that I now owe $ 2,300 for a loan that was originally $ 300 and paid down to $ 150. The man said that They would accept $ 311 today only. “Cindy” called back and said the same thing, threatening me with legal action and wage garnishment. When I told her that I wanted to get legal advice, she hung up.
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IT WAS A SCAM !!!!
DUBNER: Wowzer. That does sound pretty damning – that the head of a research group funded by payday lenders is essentially ghostwriting parts of an academic paper that happens to reach pro-payday lending conclusions. Were you able to speak with Marc Fusaro, the author of the paper?
I recently got a call from someone from a company called Alliance. They called my work number. When I called them back the man said that if I did not pay the loan back they would get me for fraud and breach of contract. I gave them my debit card information. I then did some research. I could not find the company’s information online and the company they said I owed number was disconnected. I cancelled my card and then call Alliance back and asked for a validation letter. The man said they were a paperless company and they could only send Emails. I told him I wanted in writing. Of course he refused and hung up. I got a call from the next day from another guy stating that the card was declined and I needed to handle it right now. I told him not without the letter I asked for. So I hung up. The next day I got a call from a lady stating that this was my final warning and I needed to contact them immediately. I never received the letter or Email and I still can not locate this company by the address they gave me, name or phone number. I was also contacted by another company named D 2 management. They said the same thing that I owed for a pay day loan. The lady identified himself as an officer. I have read online about this company and everyone is saying they are a scam. I have contacted the BBB and consumer affairs so far. I really want to know if these two companies are really scam companies. Please Help!
he was not allowed to do that since I was at a negative I told him it would go thru, so I told him I would give him my daughters debit card number she had the money and she said it was to be under my name so he told me to get a cash pak (green dot) and call him back with the number on the back. I did that and have to pay another 200 on the 16th and then the other 200.00 next month because he took 300.00 off the original price I owed. I paid the $ 100 because I was scared and did not want my husband to go to jail but I told him I wanted paperwork sent to me and he said he would send it when it was paid off but he would send me a redirect to my email and I have not got it yet. I wish I knew he was really with the Federal Crime Dept like he said he is or if he is a fraud. Cause I do not want to give him anymore but I do not want my husband to go to jail. I know we got a loan thru them but it was supposed to come out of our acct everydayday but he said they tried and it was not taken out due to insufficient funds but I can not remember wheather it was paid off or not. Does anyone know a site I can look under to see if this is fraud? Please HELP
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I also received several calls from an unidentified no. but the call sounds like she’s calling from overseas and can not make out the details. I called the Lady back and a male with a great Indian accent answered “Hello this is Dominic, How can I help? I asked the man the name of the company he represents and he goes Marshall and Associates. And he asked for my phone and he goes “I do not have that number in my system”. Yeah, exactly! ‘And he continues on asking me “If I have been briefed” Briefed about what? Moron. Oh! you have a pending lawsuit on committing fraud for taking out 35 payday loans, the bank tried to collect but they can not take
At no point during this aggressive voice mail did he identify his company or any affiliation to another company
DeYOUNG: We need to do more research and try to find out the best ways to regulate rather than the rules that are being pursued now that would eventually shut down the industry. I do not want to come as a advocate of payday lenders. That’s not my position. My position is I want to make sure the users of payday loans who are using them responsibly and who are made better by them do not lose access to this product.
There is no reason payday lending in its mainstream, visible form took off in the 1990s, but an important factor was deregulation. States began to roll back usury caps, and changes in federal laws helped lenders structure their loans so as to avoid the caps. By 2008, writes Jonathan Zinman, a economist at Dartmouth, payday-loan stores nationwide outnumbered McDonald’s restaurants and Starbucks coffee shops combined.
the threats. Do not worry they’re all scam … The cops are still investigating … The cops contacted NCN guys .. (who were probably freaked out … lol) and these guys said they had nothing to do with the calls … Its just made up fake company name … and they are just making prank calls …
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The only insight we can offer at this point is that it’s very likely it’s a scam. If it was a legitimate collector, they would be violating many laws under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Thankfully, you did the right thing and did not fall for it.
6pm rcvd calls repeatedly from Michael Moore of “Fraud Office” trying to collect a debt from November 2008, which I’m sure I do not have to Money and More. Alledges, to Jasmine Wright and Maria Sanches that I have commited fraud and a warrant would be issued for my arrest if I do not send $ 1107.15 thru Money Gram and am harrased to send it immediately or expect to be arrested by 8am the next day . After several calls from my attorney to the # 5133994987, left messages, etc., no calls for a few hours now.
… and remember … do not sign anything at your doorstep …
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RONALD MANN: I have a general idea that people who are really tight for money know more where their next dollar is coming from and going than the people that are not particularly tight for money. So, I generally think that the people who borrow from payday lenders have a better idea of how their finances are going to go for the next two or three months because it’s really a crucial item for them that they worry about every day. So that’s what I set out to test.
I got a call yesterday from a company called PDLR. This woman’s name was ms. ingram and she did not have an accent like a lot of the companies sited here. She said she was trying to settle a payday loan that I supposedly did not pay before they starte wage garnishments. She could not tell me who the original loan was with-said they were not a collection agency but that the original company did not send paerwork to me that was returned when I requested proof of the debt. The number they called from was 630-844-5678. Neither the company name or phone number popped up when i googled, but this is clearly a scam. I called back the number and the same person answered, but she did not identify a company. As far as I’m concerned, they can pound salt.
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They are so far breaking the law. I have not received a written statement regarding the debt of these payday loans. and they have threatened dire consequences multiple times (number 5 in your article), they definitely call earlier
DeYOUNG: Borrowing money is like renting money. You have to use it for a few weeks. You could rent a car for two weeks, right? You get to use that car. Well, if you calculate the annual percentage rate on that car rental – that means that you divide the amount you pay on that car by the value of that automobile – you get similarly high rates. So this is not about interest. This is about short-term use of a product that’s been lent to you. This is just arithmetic.
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If it was legit she would have no problem giving the address to the company. She will not divulge this information as she does not want to be sued for illegal collection tactics. Ignore them and move on.
That makes plenty of sense in theory. Payday lending in its most unfettered form seems to be ideal for neither consumers nor lenders. As Luigi Zingales, professor at the University of Chicago, told a group of finance professionals in a speech speech last year, “The effective outcome can not be achieved without mandatory regulation.” One controversy is whether the office, in its zeal to protect
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This is exactly the approach by which Donald Trump inadvertently made millions for Michael Wolff. Having so spectacularly backfired the first time, why do it again? The short answer is: Team Trump knows nothing else.
• Ask the collector for the name and address of the collection agency for which he or she works. Then ask him to send you written information about the debt. Any legitimate debt collection agency will do this because it is required under the federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
I am very concerned you are dealing with a scammer – possibly in both instances. Please read this article about how process servers work and proceed with extreme caution. (And verify the one you are making payments to is legitimate!)
He said he worked for Morgan Lewis on behalf of Money & More. He had all my personal information, bank information, ssn, dob. He told me I had committed internet fraud by taking out a loan and not paying it back. I did not remember to take out a loan online & told him I did not remember to take out a loan on the internet. He then told me that he had email transactions and verification from my bank that the ACH withdrawal was declined twice so I had committed internet fraud and was going to jail. He then hung up on me.
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So I did call them back, spoke to a different person, to inform them that this is bogus and there is no record of any kind for any payday loan. I started to tell her what the bank associate told me about how payday loans work and if I or someone else did not take these loans there would be a try to collect on in through my bank account. She said she knows how they work and do not need me to explain it to her. She also told me that since they are only a mediation firm that is just looking for volunteer settlements of the debts they are not bound to the Fair Debt and Collections Act and said we are not going to force you to pay this back to our client.
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Sorry you let fear overtake your good judgment. You can report it to your state attorney general or you can try filing a report with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. However, many of these operations are based outside the U.S. and can be hard to track. And next time – and hopefully there will be no one – keep in mind that you have rights that should be respected.
Today I came in from a stressful day, phone rings and it’s some stupid chick telling me I was going to be served and did not call this number at ADR – 877-801-8348. I asked her what was she talking about. She said, “I can not tell you the records are sealed!” She said, “If you call this number that will prevent you from a lot of trouble!” I said “No thanks, I would rather know what the trouble is , serve me! “I live in a remote part of the country – PO Box only – I also knew I had not been responsible for anything illegal. Have been a grown up now for several years and knew -my life was clean! I told her if she called me back that I was going to turn her into the AG’s Office and hung up. A few minutes later my mom called some girl was looking for me and I needed to call that number. My mom is 83 and we just went through the lost, my dad and my brother-in-law. None of us need this at anytime in our lives. I WILL turn them into the authorities if they call me back. I hope everybody else will do the same. I told my mom not to even think about talking to them or anyone else who can not identify themselves or their company. It’s a shame such evil lives in our world … find a job, do something honest for a change. We have enough crap going on without these scumsuckers bothering us or moreso our parents! BTY the girls name was CORY.
Ann, I just got a call last week from the same phone number. A “Juan Hernandez” has called me saying I owed on a payday loan; that it was taken out in 2008 and when the company tried to collect in 2009, there were insufficient funds. They are threatening to suspend my driver’s license unless I pay them $ 300 within 48 hours – after that, it becomes $ 1400. I was so upset, I went to the bank and got all my bank statements from December 2008 to present. Nothing returned for insufficient funds. Mr. Hernandez just called me at work today and I’m about to call him back. What a scam – happy you did not fall for it!
This has all the hallmarks of the payday loan collection scam that’s happening all over the country. I am quite confident you will not be served with any kind of papers. Even if they could sue you, they could not suspend your license! (As you say, what is the license?)
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