DeYOUNG: Well, in a short sentence that’s very scientific I would start by saying, “Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.” The question comes down to how we identify the water here and how do we identify the baby here. One way is to collect a lot of information, as the CFPB suggests, about the creditworthiness of the borrower. But that brings up production cost of payday loans and will probably put the industry out of business. But I think we can all agree that once someone pays a fee in an aggregate amount equal to the amount that was originally borrowed, that’s pretty clear that there’s a problem there.
I received a call from Pay day loan recovery in Illinois. They say it’s for a loan from 2010 and now it’s $ 2300. If I do not settle today I will have my salary garnished and my drivers will be suspended. I thought it was legitimate bc they were not rude. However, in my old paperwork, I can not find any notices or letters. I want to pay any debt that I owe but I dont want to be paying something that is not real. Also, my real fear is suspended for drivers! I have to drive to work
Edit: I’ve seen that the original debt is “real debt,” and while the original debt may be real, even if you’ve paid in full and can prove it, it gets resold over and over. Check out John Oliver’s story. His show is investigated and these are small-time debt collectors depending on fooling people in paying to avoid legal action that rarely, if ever, happens. He bought $ 14 million in medical debt for $ 60k and erased it for thousands of people being harassed for debts that had been paid.
Anyone ever heard of Peter Shapiro or the Shapiro Agency? Telephone 877-723-4711. This ‘person’ has called two of my family members today and told them his agency was conducting a criminal investigation of me and needed a character statement. I’m sure this is the same as those who harassed me about a payday loan from 2006 to the point where I changed my cell phone number over a year ago. They were threatening criminal action then. My daughter asked if she was a debt collector and was told no. She looked them up on the internet and found, yes, they were collectors (of some sort). Now I have been paying my Chapter 13 for 50 months now with 4 more months to go. Any bill I owed is included in that bankruptcy. So you can believe this makes me furious! I’ve tried to call the number but I’m told to hold for Pete Shapiro and then asked to leave a voice message. I want to talk to this thing to voice. Any suggestions on who and how to complain about this thing?
One big advice PEOPLE !! Try to avoid giving out your personal information. Avoid any suspicious telemarketing calls (they get your info) or sign any document at your doorstep … This decade is FULL of scammers … so DO NOT get cheated!
I’ve been receiving similar phone calls from 877-824-6758 and 866-981-6854, from a guy named “Bill Davis” and a woman named “Amy Rogers” who claims to Bill’s “partner” .. they first called my work and left a message with my supervisor, claiming that they have two charges against me and that if I do not contact them they are going to serve me at work. Then the call to my cell and the threatening messages followed. I finally blocked them on my cell. So, “Amy” called my brother’s phone and left a message for him, saying that I had charges against me and I was being taken to court. This really ****** me off !! What can be done to stop these people? Can I report them to the police? !!! I’m getting fed up !!!
Race Matters: The Concentration of Payday Lenders in North Carolina, by Uriah King, Wei Li, Delvin Davis and Keith Ernst, The Center for Responsible Lending (March, 2005).
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WOW I do not believe this happened to me. Someone has been calling me for a few days now and I finally call back and say I have a payday loan I took out in 2010. OK I know I never did, so I ask for the name of the buisness she works for and she says [redacted]. Then I ask her where this payday loan came from and she says [redacted] an online payday loan. She said I stopped paying it. Then I said I do not believe you or this and HUNG UP! Hec no. No scammer is going to get me. IDK what they know about me Nothing anyone cant look up!
It can be frustrating and embarrassing when debt collectors call relatives, and, as you suspect, some debt collectors use tactics that are not legal. But, as a consumer, you are not powerless. Here are three Credit.com articles you may find useful, and thanks for alerting others to the kind of treatment you have received.
One problem with the payday-lending industry-for regulators, for lenders, for the public interest is that it defies simple economic intuition. For instance, in most industries, more competition means lower prices for consumers. That maxim certainly helped guide the deregulation of the fringe lending business in the 1990s and some advocates still believe that further deregulation is the key to making payday loans affordable. Yet there is little evidence that a proliferation of payday lenders produces this consumer-friendly competitive effect. What’s the difference: There are more than double-paid loans in those states (Idaho, South Dakota, Texas, and Wisconsin). by residents of some other states, according to Pew. In the state where the interest rate is capped, the rate that payday lenders charge gravitates right to the cap. “In the race to the lowest rates, it’s a race to the highest rates,” says Tom Feltner, director of financial services at the Consumer Federation of America.
WERTH: So far, so good. But I think we should mention two things here: one, Fusaro had a co-author on the paper. Her name is Patricia Cirillo; she’s the president of a company named Cypress Research, which is by the way, is the same survey firm that produced data for the paper you mentioned earlier, about how payday borrowers are pretty good at predicting when they will be able to pay back their loans. And the other point, two, there was a long chain of e-mails between Marc Fusaro, the academic researcher here, and the CCRF. And what they show is they really look like editorial interference.
I worked for a credit bureau. If there is a dispute item on your credit report. You may have marked the dispute and the law of the FDCRA the credit bureau must be able to supply you with the verification of the debt within 30 days. If not it must be removed from your file.
I’ve received calls like this before, where they call me and my work. But, today I got a call from a private investigator named John McCaffrey from 855-656-5010. The message stated that there were charges of fraud being placed against me and my attorney would have to speak about case number # 14831-TX69. He said I was to appear at my local county courthouse to take care of the mater. What was disturbing is that he also called my mother’s phone number and my sister-in-law phone number, leaving the same message from me. The message at their numbers stated that I was to appear in court at their local courthouse. How are I supposed to appear at three different courts for the same case ???? This is how to fishy !!
A few months back, my best friend got a call from someone re: I said I was going to jail if I did not pay something by the end of the day. I had used her as a reference to a payday advance through Check N Go so that’s probably how they got her name and number. She called me hysterical, I freaked out and of course, called them. The guy was very rude and told me I would go to jail if it was not paid that day by 4 and told me I’d be arrested for check fraud. I explained what happened, did not give any info or offer payment, but was so upset. I completely freaked out and thought “oh my gosh, who will take care of my kids if I go to jail?” I called my attorney and he told me to ignore it, and that no, I could not get arrested. I was relieved !!! I do not have to pay for that payday above, I believe it was from a year or two ago. I lost my job after, fell on hard times and I still pick up the pieces of money and have not been able to pay it. Now that I’ve read this, I’m pretty sure these callers are scammers. Beware people! Oh yes, and of course, when I listen to the envelope info of the voicemails, they are blocked and it says “an outside caller”. I wish there was something I could do to get these clowns in trouble, because if I had made any payment and found out it was not paying my debt, I would be devastated.
I got a voicemail yesterday from Jacklyn Shriver or Traver (could not understand her). She addressed me with my full name and then said “also known as” and said my maiden name. She sounded very stern and threatening. She said she had to check out some info, kind of rambled about different things, basically saying if I do not contact the firm she will show up in person at my home or place of employment. Instructed me to call the firm at 1-877-698-2249 and said something like “you have been notified.
Protections for servicemembers. There are special protections through the federal Military Lending Act (MLA) for active duty servicemembers and their dependents. These protections include a cap of 36 percent on the Military Annual Percentage Rate (MAPR) as well as other limitations on what lenders can pay for payday and other consumer loans. Contact your local Advocate General’s (JAG) office to learn more about lending restrictions. You can use the JAG Legal Assistance Office locator to find help.
It’s been gettng calls from a guy who calls hisself jack but is clear from overseas because I can barely understand anything he says. he has gone so far as to call my job ann tell my boss that the company i work for is goin to be held liable for this debt oh yea this guy is supposedly with a law firm. my boss told them last week if they called back i would be terminaed they would not get any money from me .this did not phase him so tuesday he called back they told him the samething so he called my cell phone wantedin me to verify my I did not have a lot of cursed him out with a few racial friends hang up.so then I got a call from another guy clearly not american tellin he was the sheriff of my county they were coming to my work I have been told to serve on my request I gave him one 4 states away so he says do not u speak to? lmbo i said who said the sherriff of my county i just had to ask what county that would be and i was givin some word ive never heard. so after a day of theatrical injury to the loss of my job and 3 felony charges for supposedly getting money from payday usa i am waiting for my sheriff to return my call so i can tell him of this thing impersonate an officer. i work hard for my money and noone is going to harass me like this i’m not stupid so my advice to the scammers scam you own country come here tryin to steal from us hard workin honest folks. and did i mention this trash called my moms and told my 12yr old girl to suck her d ** k !!!! these ppl need to be stopped b4 they meet the end of my shotgun !!
Let me introduce myself. I am Senior Affidavit Processor Officer Alicia Fields from State Investigation Department. We have been trying to reach you since a couple of days about a serious matter about a lawsuit filed on your name that you are doing some fraud and criminal activities.
The Illinois Attorney General’s Office says the bogus debt collectors have heard about using various names, including: Morgan & Associates, Federal Bureau of Investigators, DNR Recovery, DNI Recovery, Legal Accounts Association, Department of Law and Enforcement, CashNet USA , American Legal Services, Quick Cash, and ACS. If you hear from any of these companies, be sure to report them immediately to your state Attorney General’s office and the Federal Trade Commission
Have a message today from “Courtney” claiming to be a self-employed server and that I am scheduled to be published on the 21st. She said she normally does not call forward but because of the situation she was this time. She said if I was uncomfortable receiving papers for which I did not know about that to contact the originating company. Then she left their number 855-461-0744 and a “case number”. The first thing I did is try to lookup the phone number but no reference to it anywhere on the interwebs? Okay, start to sound fishy. So I call the number, but of course it’s after 7pm Eastern (4: 30p for me) so I get a chance to leave a voicemail. The voicemail greeting was for Jonathan Vadeer?
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he was not allowed to do that since I was at a negative I told him it would go thru, so I told him I would give him my daughters debit card number she had the money and she said it was to be under my name so he told me to get a cash pak (green dot) and call him back with the number on the back. I did that and have to pay another 200 on the 16th and then the other 200.00 next month because he took 300.00 off the original price I owed. I paid the $ 100 because I was scared and did not want my husband to go to jail but I told him I wanted paperwork sent to me and he said he would send it when it was paid off but he would send me a redirect to my email and I have not got it yet. I wish I knew he was really with the Federal Crime Dept like he said he is or if he is a fraud. Cause I do not want to give him anymore but I do not want my husband to go to jail. I know we got a loan thru them but it was supposed to come out of our acct everydayday but he said they tried and it was not taken out due to insufficient funds but I can not remember wheather it was paid off or not. Does anyone know a site I can look under to see if this is fraud? Please HELP
Ana – Do not pay a penny until you verify this is definitely a legitimate debt. Ask them to send you a written notice of the debt by mail (not email or fax). This is your right under federal law. If they refuse to call Fraud.org for advice as it’s probably a scam.
I received a voice mail today from some guy who identified herself as a “Carl Thomas”. He never told me who he was with or what his business was. He gave me a claim number and said that he had a pending wage garnishment order and a motion to suspend my drivers license. He left a number (877-601-5861 x261) I called the number to meet the guy but the number he gave was not a working number. So I called the number that appeared on my caller ID. A woman answered only by saying “what extension please”. What number did I call and she answered “an answer service”. So I gave the extension. I was connected with “Carl Thomas” and I advised him that I had received a message for someone and that the information he left on the voice was illegal by law debt collection. Carl Thomas got real mad real quick and told me I did not have to tell him how to do his “F # $ King job” and that if I did not give him the god * & am file number that I could go to hell and shove it. So after he hung up on me I called the answer service back and they advised me that it was a company called PDLR with a PO Box in Aurora, Illinois. The number to the “answer service” is 603-486-1900. Hope this helps.
Ok I’ve been reading everyday experience with these people who started with me last year saying that i have a payday company that my ssn had something attached to it from the general saying that I was going to be put in jail if i didnt pay … they would call me on my cell back to back..one day i answered the call and told them to send this to me in writing … they said they would but did not like i guessed .. that i would be arrested and jailed if i did not pay … this would happen every month i would get someone talking in broken english saying that i need to call them -some of the numbers and names ..
Sadly, these types of scammers are good at what they do and very convincing. They prey on consumers that are not aware of the rules and use scare tactics to convince them otherwise. You hit the nail on the head with this:
6pm rcvd calls repeatedly from Michael Moore of “Fraud Office” trying to collect a debt from November 2008, which I’m sure I do not have to Money and More. Alledges, to Jasmine Wright and Maria Sanches that I have commited fraud and a warrant would be issued for my arrest if I do not send $ 1107.15 thru Money Gram and am harrased to send it immediately or expect to be arrested by 8am the next day . After several calls from my attorney to the # 5133994987, left messages, etc., no calls for a few hours now.
Thank you very much for this site and answer to me because after reading some people stories I called him back and ask more questions then told him that I would handle it in court that would not be getting any money from me and hung up about 1 hour later got another call from a different number saying that I would be receiving a summons for court these people are a big scam smh.
I took out a loan from Check N Go about a year ago and I just started to pay it off. A debt collector agency named the PDL Recovery Group started calling me and threatening me if I did not start a payment plan, check N Go was going to take me to court and start garnishing my salary.
I was receiving threatening calls from someone claiming to be from the Attourney General’s office. Stating that because of a past due credit that they were going to have the authorities pick me up at my place of work and have me arrested. They asked to pay them $ 120 of the $ 500 that I owed them in order for them to hold off on calling the authorites. I have got past due loans and they verified my email address and home address and the company i worked for. I thought it might have been for real, they wanted me to go to the walgreens and pick up a prepaid card in order to make the payment to them. I was going to send them the money but after talking to one of the lawyers within the company I worked for they advised me that this was a scam call trying to get money out of me. Especially since no prio documentation was provided and they refused to provide any documents until I made a payment. The numbers they were calling from were 951-878-0689, and 951-708-1208. I looked up the
he wanted me to give him a credit card number so they could with a draw 500.00 dollar payments until it was paid off. now can they realy take action to be able to appear in court along with a warranty
ok heres how this works i did it for about a few years ago first off all the debt is real debt. Ok now heres where the rest becomes illegal to speak or at least walk that thin line in my eyes. its real debt that the people owed but for these companies by the time they got it its OVER the 7 year statute of limitations for collections so they hit hard and fast before you catch on. now when you call john or mary lets say they have professional closers who guess what are now john or mary each one of us gets our list of people going to call and get my company buys by the bAZILLION from the credit card companies medical collection agencies etc for pennies the month i worked there they had a million $$$ month so theres a lot of uninformed people out there. anyways we get their debt info then credit report etc and we search them before we call had my own code to run backgrounds reverse phone etc that way we sound legit we then spoof your sheriff or court house number threaten jail and arrest at your work etc unless you call john or mary since we are all either john or mary they never know for pay for us we had a number like john 1 john 2 or mary 1 mary 2 etc. i can go on and on the gist lol my conscience got the best of me i had to quit p.s. if this happens again just laugh at them and ask them what time breakfast you need a vacation and club med was booked solid so jail will do lol theyll move to the next victim they just keep hounding and bullying if you look weak and they think youll pay. good luck
I have had three scams come to me. This has got to stop. They call my job and harass my boss and other people. How do they get your job phone number? ACS just scam me two weeks ago. Look out. Now I have a new one. Here is the phone number 760-269-3830. You know they have another country. You do not understand them. They just threaten you. Someone stop these jerks.
U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren (left) talks with Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director Richard Cordray after he testified about Wall Street reform at the 2014 Senate Banking Committee hearing. (Jonathan Ernst
I received a message from the other day from PDLR Group named her Jan Faith to call back at 877-269-0088. I called the next day to find out what this was for. I spoke to Jan who told me I had a payday loan that was back to 2008 or before, but did not have an exact date. The next thing she was telling me that if I did not settle with them TODAY and make a payment with a debit card or a prepaid card for $ 700, I was looking at at least $ 3500 with lawyers costs and court costs but that they will not go to short. She said they would go straight to my HR department to start garnishing my salary. Unfortunately I have applied for payday loan before but have paid back the one I did. I even find a website for Payday Today which is the company I supposedly did the loan with. I asked for written proof of the debt, and all of a sudden was rushed from the phone telling me that I could expect to be called down to HR about this. She said the wage assignment I signed was my forfeit from court, but she wanted to be the best of luck and she hung up. My HR needs a short time
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but here’s where weird the 671-933-7954 is a VOIP number that the name is not listed, the person said they are based in Miami. nothing comes up with this name But the kicker is IF I did not take out these Payday loans the bank account they have been active and never been closed so they would not be a reason they would not have been able to get the money.
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DeYoung, along with three co-authors, recently published an article about payday loans on Liberty Street Economics. That’s a blog run by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Another co-author, Donald Morgan, is Assistant Vice President at the New York Fed. The article is entitled “Reframing the Debate About Payday Lending.”
Within 72 hours they would attach my salary. She did not say what the debt was connected to.
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MANN: And if you went to the counter and asked for a loan, they would hand you this sheet of paper and say, “If you’ll fill out this survey for us, we’ll give you $ 15 to $ 25, “I forget what one was. And then I get the surveys sent to me and I can look at them.
The only insight we can offer at this point is that it’s very likely it’s a scam. If it was a legitimate collector, they would be violating many laws under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Thankfully, you did the right thing and did not fall for it.
Ann, I just got a call last week from the same phone number. A “Juan Hernandez” has called me saying I owed on a payday loan; that it was taken out in 2008 and when the company tried to collect in 2009, there were insufficient funds. They are threatening to suspend my driver’s license unless I pay them $ 300 within 48 hours – after that, it becomes $ 1400. I was so upset, I went to the bank and got all my bank statements from December 2008 to present. Nothing returned for insufficient funds. Mr. Hernandez just called me at work today and I’m about to call him back. What a scam – happy you did not fall for it!
We are working on some of our payday loans clients and they are getting these same calls. One of the customers were scared in paying them until I looked it up. They said they were from payday loan recovery group. Saying she owed a loan from 2008 for 1,200 and she could pay it in full for $ 399. She was scared in paying but I told her to cancel her creid card before it went through. They send her an invoice on the decline. The processing company is http:
ALAN STONE 704-389 0723 MICHAEL JOHNSON 204-449-0158 AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE NUMBERS I have them on reject -thats how many times they called.once the call came 21 times back to back like a computer was dialing them … 7501003 is the one they use
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What they are doing is illegal, and it’s unlikely you are dealing with a legitimate agency. There are some ideas for getting this post (and in the comments): 7 Ways to Stop Debt Collection Scam Calls. It sounds like if their hope is to frighten you into paying.
In November I went throught the same thing. A call on a cell phone form “Bill Paxton” A Mid-Eastern sounding man told me that a lawsuit had been filed in my nma and SS number over an on-line payday loan that I did not pay back. When I asked some probing questions like what the state and county tha law had been filed in what was the docket number. And when I asked for a written verification of the debt he became very upset and put me on the phone with his “supervisor” he informed me that an investigator would be sent to my home and place of work and that I would be arrested and could end up with 6 years in prison I told him to go fuck a PIG. He then said I was in a language I could not understand then hung up on me.
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