DeYOUNG: They do not overdraft the checking account and take out the payday loan because they’ve done the calculus. That overdrafting on four or five checks at their bank is going to cost them more money than taking out the payday loan.
in 1916 under the supervision of Arthur Ham, the first director of the Russell Sage Foundation’s Department of Remedial Loans. Ham recognized a key truth about small, short-term loans: They are expensive for lenders to make. His model law tried to promote short-term legal lending by capping rates at a high level of level-states determined their own ceilings, typically ranging from 36 to 42 percent per year-to enable lenders to turn a profit. This was very controversial, but many Americans still could not secure loans at that rate; their risk of default was deemed too great. Some of them eventually turned to the mob, which grew strong during the Prohibition.
I just wondering have anyone heard of KDE Recovery Services … They called me today about a payday loan and I hung up. The lady called me back and left a very rude message on my voicemail calling me ignorant and if I did not pay she was going to sign this affidavit and have a warrant issued to my job to be arrested. It sounds like a scam but I’m not sure they say it’s a loan I had back in 2007. They have my name, address, phone numbers and social security number. it starts to really freak me out
If you do not repay your loan, the payday lender or a debt collector can generally sue you to collect. If they win, or if you do not dispute the lawsuit or claim, the court will enter a order or judgment against you. The order or judgment will state the amount of money you owe. The lender or collector can then get a garnishment order against you.
We had never heard of this happening until we got a call today from 410-843-2822. They had left a message with my fiance and when I returned the calll they first said “hello”, which struck me as strange, since this was supposedly a law office. When I asked for the name of the company he kept trying to verify info. When Chad (my fiance) got on the phone they started telling him that he should answer q’s carefully as they could be used against him in court. They said that the case would be ‘downloaded’ with the courts – what kind of lawyer says that? We had applied for several loans, and had only accepted one – what we were paying back. The amount they said we owed we had never been quoted. The other strange thing is that although they both had very strong indian accents, they used very unlikely names – the supervisor said his name was Jack O’Connor. ?? ?? DO NOT FALL FOR THIS !!!! We told them to send us something in the mail and not to call again.
Stacy – do not pay anything unless you’re sure it’s a legitimate debt. Under the FDCPA, collectors are legally obliged to provide proof of the debt. Having said this, within 5 days of contacting you by phone, they must send you a notification of their attempt to collect. In that notice, they have to inform you of your right to have the validated debt. You have thirty days to do this and it must be done in writing. If they can not validate the debt, you can not legally collect. With that said, we strongly encourage you to read through the following two resources, at least make sure you know your rights and take the appropriate steps forward:
Same phone number only was a Tina, wanted to pay me $ 690.00 to pay off pay day, asked for the original bill said they didn; t have it, gave me 1 week then garnishment called my lawyer yet to hear back.
Hello. Just a new warning. I received a call today from a company called Legal Research Group in Houston, TX. They also called me my sister and said that if I did not pay them $ 1600 right away that I would be arrested and that there were 2 warrants out for my arrest. Their number is 832-706-3791 and the guy goes by Ryan Adams and Adam Ryan depending on which time he picks up the call. They answer “Compliance Department” and switch back to “departments”. When I asked them to email me the paperwork and detail, they said they were not allowed to. They said they would email me all the info once I gave them the payment information. When I started to challenge them on it they hung up. To catch them, I called back and said that I would go ahead and pay (just to see how they reacted). They were REALLY excited. Then I started to act nice and ask them for details that they could not give. Then I asked them for their company name and address and they just hung up. SCAM !! I called a filed complaint with the FTC.
I can not tell from what you are writing whether it’s a very aggressive debt collector, but remember the debt collectors must follow federal law (and often state laws) that prohibits harassment and false statements.
It may seem inconceivable that a company could not make money collecting interest at a 36 percent annual clip. One reason it’s true is that default rates are high. A study in 2007 by two economists, Mark Flannery and Katherine Samolyk, found that defaults account for more than 20 percent of operating expenses at payday-loan stores. By comparison, loan losses in 2007 at small U.S. commercial banks accounted for only 3 percent of expenses, according to the Kansas City Fed. This is not surprising, given that payday lenders do not look carefully at the borrower’s income, expenses, or credit history to ensure that she can repay the loan: That underwriting process, the bedrock of conventional lending, would be ruinously expensive when applied to a $ 300, two-week loan. Instead, lending to the borrower’s checking account-but if that’s empty due to other withdrawals or overdrafts, it’s empty.
I am receiving threatening call from 877-673-8289, they left a message but also spoke with my father at my house. On the message they guy talk so fast but I think the name is Darrell Hines. He tried to say he was a court processor and that they were coming to my house and working to server me papers for check fraud and he also told my father this on the phone. In the message the only number given is the one above and that is for “Payday Solutions” which I found out when I returned the call. They later called back and asked for my daughter by name. I plan to follow through with this company and the company at the FTC and the Texas Attorney General’s office.
I ask them to give me the number to the payday loan company and they gave me a number and I called them and tried told me that I looked like a real nice lady so they would wave the fee and everything I would have to pay back is just the $ 300 i borrowed and he told me to wait 15 because he was going to fax the law firm. So I’m going to go back and call the guy I talked with. Sean Williams told me that they offered it and went to Walgreens and got a vanilla reload network card and called them and gave them the 10 digit number on the back. So my stupid a ** did it. Well then he said he would have to call me back with my confermation number? Really ?? Well then 15 minutes after I paid them I got a call from MO telling me the exact same thing !!! And I blew up and said well maybe I need to get a lawyer and sue you! Then he goes on to tell me that he is going to follow thinking with more prosicution and that only God can help me now and hung up. So I called the firm from OK and they said it was because I owed another loan. Which I do. But mind you just got these loans on March 1, 2013 and the other March 5, 2013. How can they already be in default? Anyway a man named Ted or Tod Cummings spoke with me and said I lied to his officer. Sean Williams. And did not tell him I had another loan. Ok if you could pull up the other one why not you pull up that one? All this makes since after I’ve done give them $ 300! Then he told me to see what I could do about getting the other loan taken care of on a different vanilla prepaid card. That it was not the same card as I used before. Why? It’s reloadable. He told me he talked with the free credit and everything. I have anxiety issues have got so scared I threw up. The number they called from was 580-823-1582. So I got mad an look the number up online! It’s a cell phone the person who owns the phone is named Time. What law is you going to call from a cell phone? I can not believe I let them get me !!!!!
That makes plenty of sense in theory. Payday lending in its most unfettered form seems to be ideal for neither consumers nor lenders. As Luigi Zingales, professor at the University of Chicago, told a group of finance professionals in a speech speech last year, “The effective outcome can not be achieved without mandatory regulation.” One controversy is whether the office, in its zeal to protect
I received a call from [redacted] indicating that she had an order to complete about the charges for distribution of fraudulant text related to the social security number and provided she would be serving these documents to me at my home address. address] today and if service could not be made they would contact my employer and inform them that service would take place at their premises. She said if I had any questions or wanted to set an alternative service to contact the complainant’s attorney at [redacted]. I work at an attorney’s office so I brought this to the attention of an attorney in our office. He called the number, and identified himself as my attorney. The gentleman was very rude and said he could not discuss it with him without a letter of recommendation and that when I received the papers I could bring them to the attorney to review. When he said I was present and would like to ask what was about he still refused to give any information and again said to wait for the papers to be served. My attorney asked him if he was familiar with the fair debt practice act and the gentleman said it was not about a debt. I later called him back if he could please let me know what was all about and he again refused because he says I have a counsel, though he previously refused to tell my attorney any information because there was no letter of representation. The man was very rude and hung up on me. I called back and again asked to please be given any information about the issue, he said he could give me information but was choosing not to and again hung up on me. I called back and said it was a policy to not discuss the matter if I am represented by the counsel. I asked if their company [redacted] was the one suing me or someone else and he said it was them. I asked if he could please at least tell me what court was being filed in. After a very exasperated sigh and some computer typing, he said it was being filed in [county I lived in 8 years ago] through the office of [provided the name of prosecuting attorney for that office]. I then called that prosecuting attorney’s office and let them know about the call and asked if they had any cases with my name, which they did not have and suggested that maybe it was a civil case. I then called the circuit clerk’s office and again told them the situation and asked if anything had been filed with my name and they had nothing. After bringing this information back to my attorney he said it was very likely to scam and to inform the Attorney General’s office. I called and gave the Attorney General’s office all the information and was again told that it was very likely a scam. I suppose we will see if I have anything to do in the next few days …
If they call back, follow the instructions outlined in this article or the resource provided above. If the collector will not comply with your requests, then it may be a scam. It’s hard to say until you talk to them to see if the debt is legitimate. Whatever you do, do not let them intimidate you in paying without validating the debt. As a result of the comment on this thread, they use scare tactics and prey on consumers not knowing their rights and the laws when it comes to debt collections.
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And if you are sued by a creditor or collection agency, they must serve you with a notice of the lawsuit (this is usually referred to as a “summons and complaint”). They sue you for the debt; “Filing with the clerk of court for fraud by deception,” is meaningless.
I received the same call yesterday and today from Eric Brown threathening to come to my place of employment and have me served. When asked for his company name, phone number he said I havd been warded. He starts off having a lot of personal information address, phone number really scary. How do they get all this? He has been calling my cell phone everyday today with threats. I have his messa saved on voice mail. He also informs me to contact 877-418-8244 Pay Day Solutions. His number is always unavailable. Will contact Attornet General and FTC today. How can we stop this?
Do not let one of these companies scare you into making payments if you’re not sure you owe the debt. In most cases, collectors must first take you to court and get a judgment before they can go after your pay or property.
going to be sent to court for “fraud” and continued to talk and talk and talk. But as I listened to her, I caught her in many lies. And on top of that she did not sound professional at all and kept repeating my name over and over trying to break me down. Then I asked to talk to the supervisor and she said, “I’m so scam” and I said, “I heard her whispering to someone else and then she came back on the phone and I told you that they are not a scam and I replied with “I can talk to your supervisor” and then she put me on “Hold” then I heard the phone being held up to a speaker so I could hear “elevator” music while I was being “transferred” to the supervisor. She finally transferred me to this guy saying that I could pay her with a gift card instead. I just said “I’ll think about if I want to pay you scam artists or not” then I hung up. Since then, I’ve gotten nothing.
I suppose you are just reporting this and not thinking about sending them money – at least I hope so! If you talk with them, send them a written notice of the debt by mail as required by law. But it sounds like it’s a scam and they will not.
I am confused. Why would a debt collector say that money you paid them was refundable? Perhaps you were applying for a loan? If so, and if this is an advance loan loan scam, the promise refund is worthless. Did you wire money to them via Western Union by chance? If so, then it’s probably gone to someone overseas already.
I had a company contact me today and they said I have a furniture store I did not have an account with the company but they will not send me any documentation from there company and said if I do not pay in an hour a warrant will be released and I will be arrested I’m going to school and do not want to mess up my life so I should pay them
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I’ve never heard of Money More or Money, but received a letter (very unprofessional actually signed in ink) by some small time debt collector claiming I pay or settlement (Payback & Associates, Henderson. places appear to be in NV).
Interesting. The fact that they are a “mediation” firm does not exempt them from the FDCPA to my knowledge. Companies that regularly collect debt for third parties are debt collectors, regardless of what they choose to call themselves. I would encourage you to file a complaint with the CFPB and your state attorney general’s office.
Race Matters: The Concentration of Payday Lenders in North Carolina, by Uriah King, Wei Li, Delvin Davis and Keith Ernst, The Center for Responsible Lending (March, 2005).
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