DUBNER: Hey Christopher. So, as I understand it, much of what you’ve learned about CCRF’s involvement in the payday research comes from a watchdog group called the Campaign for Accountability, or CFA? So, first off, tell us a bit more about them, and what their incentives may be.
Thank you, I’m not sure the investigator called the house number and when I called the agency that is statewide mediation they said I should not see why a sheriff would come to my house over a debt owed
By the way, you can not be arrested just because you can not afford to pay a debt. (Warning, however, there are cases where consumers are jailed in connection with debts because they failed to appear in court after a summary was issued.)
You need to get a handle on the collections process. before you make contact with these gubbers, because they will know if you do not know your rights and they will push you around to get you to acknowledge the debt, accept it and agree to make a payment. That means never ever acknowledges, accept or agree to pay a debt. Period! Even if you owe. Never! Follow the law and get a VOD first. Never ever confirm your details to them. If they claim you are a federal law FDCPA, the burden to be so is on them, you should have your details down. So just tell them to send whatever they have to the address on record. The reason you do not accept a debt is if the statute of limitation has expired for FDCPA the debt is time barred and noncollectable. If you accept it, it restarts the clock all over again.
The French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut, the son of Holocaust survivors, is an accomplished, even gifted, pessimist. To his disciples, he is Jewish Zola, accusing France’s well-thoughtful intellectual class of complicity in its own suicide. To his foes, he is a reactionary whose nostalgia for fairy tale French past is induced by an irrational fear of Muslims. Finkielkraut’s cast of mind is generally dark, but when we met in Paris in early January, two days after the Charlie Hebdo massacre, he was positively grim.
It can be frustrating and embarrassing when debt collectors call relatives, and, as you suspect, some debt collectors use tactics that are not legal. But, as a consumer, you are not powerless. Here are three Credit.com articles you may find useful, and thanks for alerting others to the kind of treatment you have received.
This same Michael Moore had contacted me about 6 months ago, from a different #, with the same story of serving papers for my arrest about 6 months ago but that I owed money to PDL Loan for November 2008 … which I’m sure I do not owe, and I should send a payment immedately to settle claim.
I can not tell from what you are writing whether it’s a very aggressive debt collector, but remember the debt collectors must follow federal law (and often state laws) that prohibits harassment and false statements.
I got a call from this woman today, from a lady who said she was from a carrier service. She was calling me to tell me that she would be delivering a letter for me to appear in court on Friday. I asked her for her contact number and what carrier service she worked for. She told me that it was not important, that she served documents all over the county. She would not tell me the county in which she worked in either. She then went on to call me to find out more.1855-282-2535. I then called this number and they told me they represented two friends who claimed that I took out 2 payday loans last year. I never took any payday loans. Ironically, these loans were supposed to have been deposited in an account that had been closed 2 months before the date they said I took them. I asked for the contact numbers for the compines and was told they did not have a number for them, I would have to Google them and get the contact number that way. How can someone be representing someone in legal matters and have no contact number for them? Anyway, I asked for documentation that I owed this money and proof that I really took out these loans and was told they did not have it, I would have to contact the loan companies to get that info. If these people are taking me to my local court they should not have this info?
If you find some of the modern economic scenario, most people have at least one horse in every race, which makes it difficult to separate advocacy and reality. So let’s go where Freakonomics Radio often goes when we want to find someone who does not have a horse in the race: to academia. Let’s ask some academic researchers if the payday-loan industry is really as nasty as it looks.
First, understand your rights when dealing with a collector. If you read through this comment, you will see many examples of fake payday loan scam collectors using scare tactics to coerce victims in paying up without researching the debt or verifying that they actually have it. In your case, if you’re positive you paid the old payday loan in full, it’s quite possible that it’s a scam. Fortunately, there are laws in place that protect you from debt collectors and they have to abide by those laws (if they are legitimate and not scams). For more on what to do and say when a debt collector calls, this resource will help: What to Do if Debt Collector Calls
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I also received a call from this fraud investigator but he named her morgan and she worked for the commonwealth of pa. Yeah right. He also said my debt was from 2008 from money and more and threatened me with 5 or 6 bogus charges. But what did you think I was looking for? My name was bc he knew unfortunately I have a misdemeanor record and tried to use that against me from when I was 18. These people really scare you into thinking you owe. The first time he called I got a payment about a year ago. Different person had called. It was a prepaid card thank God not my bank that I do not have the bank acct they reference anymore. I also live in pa and when I told him I knew it was a scam He said he could not wait to see me prosecuted. Nolegit company would talk like this. And the statute of limitation on debt is 4 years in fraud 2years my supposed loan was in 2008. As well as you tell them you know it’s a scam they flip. He told me I was gonna need a good attorney etc. If such charges were to be brought against someone I’m sure they would not wait 5 years. Still scared you when they call because you see what they are threatening to do to people. Do not understand how this happens to so many.
numbers online and it looks they dont exist. I’m trying to report them before someone else becomes a victim.
Diane Standaert is the director of state policy at the Center for Responsible Lending, which has offices in North Carolina, California, and Washington, D.C. The CRL calls itself a “nonprofit, non-partisan organization” with a focus on “fighting predatory lending practices.” You’ve probably figured out that the CRL is anti-payday loan. Standaert argues that payday loans are often not used how the industry markets them, as a quick solution to a short-term emergency.
they got my work phone # through my company cell phone. He (the law enforcement official) as he represented himself would not give his company info or address. When I asked for written verification, he refused and said the police were on the way to get me. He had a similar conversation with my boss the night before. He did have my bank information, at least the name of my bank. I had already called the FTC and started a case, when I gave the reference number and the investigators name, he said the cops should be there any minute and hung up on me. He then tried to call my work again and hung up while being on hold. I am a criminal justice major and I have to say that it shook me up. I called my financial institution and really I am in good standing, transferred my debit money to savings, cancelled my debit card, and called the trans-union to flag my social for fraud. The charge as I got him to admit was writing bad checks on my debit account, really ???! I do not know if I will receive any further calls since I throw down the trumpet of the FTC, start a case, get a reference #. Can I ask for help from local law enforcement? Their call back # gets to them.
Second you need to educate yourself on your rights as a consumer
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I got scammed. I am inthe process of settling the loan, but getting calls from people claiming to state state attorneys and one claiming to be an investigator or a detective and want me to settle out of court and make payment to him. He claims I will be arested and put in jail.
And yet it is surprisingly difficult to condemn the business wholesale. Emergency credit can be a lifeline, after all. And while stories about the payday-lending industry’s individual victims are horrible, the research on its effect at a more macro level is limited and very ambiguous. One study shows that payday lending makes local communities more resilient; another says it increases personal bankruptcies; and so on.
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I had a company contact me today and they said I have a furniture store I did not have an account with the company but they will not send me any documentation from there company and said if I do not pay in an hour a warrant will be released and I will be arrested I’m going to school and do not want to mess up my life so I should pay them
Gerri offers excellent advice on how to handle a debt collection here: If you are looking for a good deal,
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caller states they will be taking legal action, that the sheriff will be at my house or work place to serve me with papers. Knows my address and date of birth and employer. Says I owe $ 1,100.00. He says I can have my lawyer can him. He speaks with a foriegn accent and sounds exactly like the guy who called 2 months ago for another company threatening the same thing. I paid the debt last time I got SCAMED? The name the guy gave was Mr. Flood and number was 310-999-0442. Please help me !!
This guys have called me twice so far, at work. His name was “David Jones” and he was from my local sherriff department, the last time. I did not fall for it, so should I still report it? The first time they said I have been charged against me, they know the last 4 of my social. He asked for my attorneys information. He asked if I had ever been convicted of fraud before. He yelled at me and told me not to interrupt him or he would not be able to help me. He asked if he should send law enforcement to pick me up and I told him to do what he needed to do.
Miller was making substantial changes to the paper, CCRF did not exercise editorial control. That is, he says, he still had complete academic freedom to accept or reject Miller’s changes. Here’s Fusaro:
And if you are sued by a creditor or collection agency, they must serve you with a notice of the lawsuit (this is usually referred to as a “summons and complaint”). They sue you for the debt; “Filing with the clerk of court for fraud by deception,” is meaningless.
Help !! I keep receiving calls [from a woman] stating she is from dept of investigations out if it’s housed in the internet payday lian I tool in 2006. Since then I filed bankruptcy in 2010 I do not know if included in bankruptcy cause if they sell it I whose name she keeps threatening me with stop and desist I have paid them sone money like $ 1500.00 and she said if I didnt make arrangements they would turn ovrr yo stste and have me arrested for fraud I do not know whst to do and I on disability now and cant go to jail. Please help with any advice sndo took money adsin out my account wuthout permission. Any advice ?? She said I wrote bank check I told her I did not give them a check in 2006
her company would then move forward in garnishing my salary. If I accepted the settlement offer they would contact American Cash Advance and I would receive a paid in full letter from them. I have not received any such documentation. When I called Ms. Gilbert today to let her know I did not receive the pay in full letter from the original creditor she told me that there was nothing she could do – she did her job and that’s all she had to do and was not interested in helping me. I contacted her supervisor, Ms. Martinez (ext.260) and she told me she would look in the matter for me and return my call. I paid the amount that I was offered in the settlement because I did not want my employer to be contacted – even though I suspected this was a scam.
It sounds like if the caller is breaking the law; a collection agency can not send you to jail. Read 5 Things to Debt Collector Should Never Say “and 11 Ways to Debt Collector May Be Breaking the Law for more information and advice on how to handle calls.
DUBNER: Now, Bob, the blog post is a pop version of a meta-study, which rolls up other research on different pieces of the issue. I’m sorry that the studies that you cite in the post are not just the biased rantings of some ultra-right-wing pro-market-at-all-cost lunatics. And I realize that at least one of the primary studies was authored by yourself, so I guess I’m asking you to prove that you are not an ultra-right-wing pro-market-at-all-cost lunatic.
They are so far breaking the law. I have not received a written statement regarding the debt of these payday loans. and they have threatened dire consequences multiple times (number 5 in your article), they definitely call earlier
I received an email from a law enforcement officer. He claimed that I have a cash advance Inc. money and that they were getting ready to take legal action against me. The seal on the email said 712th non court court court. They were expecting a reply from me so I gave them one.
The laws in your state may permit, regulate, or prohibit these loans. Some states do not have payday lending because these are not allowed by the state’s law or because the payday lenders have not decided to do business at the interest rate and fees allowed in those states. In states that do not allow or pay for payday loan, you may be able to obtain more information from your state regulator or state attorney general.
ITS FAKE IF YOU HAVE SOCIAL SITES AND THEY CAN GET INFO FROM SITES AND PAY TO GET YOUR PERSONAL INFO THINGS ARE HACKED SUCK AS EMAILS THAT’S Y THERE IS SPAM JUST MAKE SURE YOUR MOM DO NOT GIVE THEM MONEY THAT’S ALL THEY WANT IF IT WAS REAL JUST ASK THEM TO SEND SOMETHING IN THE MAIL THEY ALWAYS SAY WE CANT WHICH IS A LIE IF THEY ARE A REAL COMPANY IF YOUR MOM SENT MONEY ALREADY TELL HER REQUEST A REFUND FROM THE PREPAID CARD COMPANY ASAP AND CALL LOCAL POLICE DEPT I HOPE THIS HELPS THE INTERNET CAN BE YOU BEST FRIEND OR YOUR WORST ENEMY GUD LUCK
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DUBNER: Well, here’s what it looks like, at least, the puzzle, which is that repeat rollovers – which represents a relatively small number of the borrowers and are a problem for those borrowers – but it sounds like though those repeat rollovers are the source of a lot of the lender’s profits. So, if you were to eliminate the big problem from the consumer’s side, would not that remove the profit from the lender’s side, maybe kill the industry?
Race Matters: The Concentration of Payday Lenders in North Carolina, by Uriah King, Wei Li, Delvin Davis and Keith Ernst, The Center for Responsible Lending (March, 2005).
Thank you very much for this site and answer to me because after reading some people stories I called him back and ask more questions then told him that I would handle it in court that would not be getting any money from me and hung up about 1 hour later got another call from a different number saying that I would be receiving a summons for court these people are a big scam smh.
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Im glad I read your post. I have been getting calls from people for payday loans that i have had outstanding. they are threatening to take me to court and everything, and i know according to the payday loan laws in illinois they cant do that. My question is this: I had already had two loans out (via front store), and was approved for 5 more online (after which I did not have any of the companies were licensed in illinois. the money to repay at the moment thats when they get rude and nasty with me they keep saying they will put a judgment on my report, etc. 855-216-1354 is one of the numbers i keep getting calls from. my caller id they come up 000 and i wait for them to leave a message I do not pay them anything but i wonder if they really do anything to me the companies according to illinois law should have contacted me to set up I did not want to go back, but now I’m getting these calls, something doesnt seem right
I worked for a credit bureau. If there is a dispute item on your credit report. You may have marked the dispute and the law of the FDCRA the credit bureau must be able to supply you with the verification of the debt within 30 days. If not it must be removed from your file.
We had a call from Marshall & Fields law office in California, they said, demanding attorney info on an old loan back to 2009 from paydayone, well that has been paid for, then they wanted info, then they called my brother as he was listed I’m sorry, they gave me a number to call back to 740-364-0537 ,, they guy couldnt speak any english but ask the info he asked well i hang up and wait for the next call ,, I hope he understands english as he is going to get an earfull
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