the threats. Do not worry they’re all scam … The cops are still investigating … The cops contacted NCN guys .. (who were probably freaked out … lol) and these guys said they had nothing to do with the calls … Its just made up fake company name … and they are just making prank calls …
That does sound sound, does not it? A typical credit card rate is around 15 percent, maybe 20 or higher if you have bad credit. But to the payday-loan industry, a proposal of 36 percent is not reasonable at all.
There is a long and often twisted history of industries co-opting scientists and other academic researchers to produce findings that make their industries look safe or more reliable or otherwise better than they really are. Whenever we talk about academic research on this show – which is pretty much every week – we try to show the provenance of that research and establish how legitimate it is. The best first step in figuring that out is to ask what kind of incentives are at play. But that is only one step.
I can not tell from what you are writing whether it’s a very aggressive debt collector, but remember the debt collectors must follow federal law (and often state laws) that prohibits harassment and false statements.
Turn the tables on them. You can report them to the FTC.gov. Give the FTC as many details as you can. If you have applied for a payday loan online in the past, you may need to include the name of that site in your complaint because your information was either sold or compromised and the FTC needs to know where these guys are getting personal information. That information will go into a database that is shared by law enforcement and other governmental agencies.
One big advice PEOPLE !! Try to avoid giving out your personal information. Avoid any suspicious telemarketing calls (they get your info) or sign any document at your doorstep … This decade is FULL of scammers … so DO NOT get cheated!
I’ve been receiving similar phone calls from 877-824-6758 and 866-981-6854, from a guy named “Bill Davis” and a woman named “Amy Rogers” who claims to Bill’s “partner” .. they first called my work and left a message with my supervisor, claiming that they have two charges against me and that if I do not contact them they are going to serve me at work. Then the call to my cell and the threatening messages followed. I finally blocked them on my cell. So, “Amy” called my brother’s phone and left a message for him, saying that I had charges against me and I was being taken to court. This really ****** me off !! What can be done to stop these people? Can I report them to the police? !!! I’m getting fed up !!!
Joseph – You may want to alert your employer. This scam is well documented from many sources so hopefully your employer would be understanding if you explained that you are being targeted by a scammer.
First, understand your rights when dealing with a collector. If you read through this comment, you will see many examples of fake payday loan scam collectors using scare tactics to coerce victims in paying up without researching the debt or verifying that they actually have it. In your case, if you’re positive you paid the old payday loan in full, it’s quite possible that it’s a scam. Fortunately, there are laws in place that protect you from debt collectors and they have to abide by those laws (if they are legitimate and not scams). For more on what to do and say when a debt collector calls, this resource will help: What to Do if Debt Collector Calls
Bob DeYoung makes a very complicated argument about the use of payday loans. Instead of “trapping borrowers in a cycle of debt,” as President Obama and other critics put it, DeYoung argues that payday loans can help people avoid a cycle of debt – like the late payment of your company company charges for an unpaid bill; like the overdraft fees or bounced-check your bank fees may charge you.
I received a voice mail today from some guy who identified herself as a “Carl Thomas”. He never told me who he was with or what his business was. He gave me a claim number and said that he had a pending wage garnishment order and a motion to suspend my drivers license. He left a number (877-601-5861 x261) I called the number to meet the guy but the number he gave was not a working number. So I called the number that appeared on my caller ID. A woman answered only by saying “what extension please”. What number did I call and she answered “an answer service”. So I gave the extension. I was connected with “Carl Thomas” and I advised him that I had received a message for someone and that the information he left on the voice was illegal by law debt collection. Carl Thomas got real mad real quick and told me I did not have to tell him how to do his “F # $ King job” and that if I did not give him the god * & am file number that I could go to hell and shove it. So after he hung up on me I called the answer service back and they advised me that it was a company called PDLR with a PO Box in Aurora, Illinois. The number to the “answer service” is 603-486-1900. Hope this helps.
I googled both numbers but nothing comes up, not even as fraudulent number, so they may be newer numbers. That’s why I wanted to post this in case someone else googles those numbers. She did not disclose any specific information about the charges, did not say it was a debt collection or anything. Did not state the company she works for or the name of the “firm” I’m supposed to call.
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The Ultimate Guide to Debt Collectors. And do not be so tough on yourself. The scammers would not keep at it if they were not successful scaring people in paying money they did not have. We’ll bet you will not be a victim again.
I did not have any phone calls but my previous room was visited at home by a man named Lewis claiming he had a delivery for me and that he is a server server! She has been to her home several times and she has finally told her to stop her harrassing her as well. He left a fake look business card in which he wrote in his name and tel. # 425-223-8367. I have not called him to verify anything yet. Any suggestions how to handle or proceed with this? Any help is appreciated!
They called my 87-year-old mother and she asked them how they got her phone number, and a woman said that I had put her down as a contact. However, her new phone number is barely a year old and is not the one given at the time of the payday loan.
At no point during this aggressive voice mail did he identify his company or any affiliation to another company
any other information. The payday borrower then writes a check – and this is the key part of the technology – the payday borrower then writes a check for the amount of the loan and postdates it by two weeks. And this becomes the collateral for the loan. So payday will not pay the loan in two weeks, the payday lender then deposits the check.
I got online immediately to look in my email for said correspondence. I found an email that I had initiated requesting information on how
in 1916 under the supervision of Arthur Ham, the first director of the Russell Sage Foundation’s Department of Remedial Loans. Ham recognized a key truth about small, short-term loans: They are expensive for lenders to make. His model law tried to promote short-term legal lending by capping rates at a high level of level-states determined their own ceilings, typically ranging from 36 to 42 percent per year-to enable lenders to turn a profit. This was very controversial, but many Americans still could not secure loans at that rate; their risk of default was deemed too great. Some of them eventually turned to the mob, which grew strong during the Prohibition.
Fulmer’s firm, Advance America, runs about 2,400 payday loan shops, across 29 states. All in, there are roughly 20,000 payday shops in the U.S., with total loan estimated at around $ 40 billion per year. If you were back to the early 1990s, there were fewer than 500 payday-loan stores. But the industry grew as many states relaxed their usury laws – many states, but not all. Payday lending is prohibited in 14 states, including much of the north and in Washington, D.C. Another nine states allow payday loans but only with more borrower-friendly terms. And that leaves 27 states where payday lenders can charge in the neighborhood of 400 percent interest – states ranging from California to Texas to Wisconsin to Alabama, which is what drew President Obama there.
A few months back, my best friend got a call from someone re: I said I was going to jail if I did not pay something by the end of the day. I had used her as a reference to a payday advance through Check N Go so that’s probably how they got her name and number. She called me hysterical, I freaked out and of course, called them. The guy was very rude and told me I would go to jail if it was not paid that day by 4 and told me I’d be arrested for check fraud. I explained what happened, did not give any info or offer payment, but was so upset. I completely freaked out and thought “oh my gosh, who will take care of my kids if I go to jail?” I called my attorney and he told me to ignore it, and that no, I could not get arrested. I was relieved !!! I do not have to pay for that payday above, I believe it was from a year or two ago. I lost my job after, fell on hard times and I still pick up the pieces of money and have not been able to pay it. Now that I’ve read this, I’m pretty sure these callers are scammers. Beware people! Oh yes, and of course, when I listen to the envelope info of the voicemails, they are blocked and it says “an outside caller”. I wish there was something I could do to get these clowns in trouble, because if I had made any payment and found out it was not paying my debt, I would be devastated.
This morning I received a call, and my father did as well, from 716-244-6551. I was given a number ID. I do not answer unknown numbers. I call back after hearing a voice mail. My dad told me that they issued a warrant for my arrest in Bexar County. I called them back because the voicemail they left was basically stating the same thing.
Paulette – Do not let them scare you. Remember if this is the debt collection scam (and it sounds like it is) then just
A woman named “Cindy” from “RA Associates” left a message on my voice mail saying that the call was about a debt and that if I did not contact them
You may want to contact the IRS about the status of your tax return. I’m unaware as to why an outside company would be holding it or having access to it. (unless you have a judgment
This new collection agency calls itself Robert Anderson Associates (ph: (844-260-5843) and they have purchased the old debt and claim that I now owe $ 2,300 for a loan that was originally $ 300 and paid down to $ 150. The man said that They would accept $ 311 today only. “Cindy” called back and said the same thing, threatening me with legal action and wage garnishment. When I told her that I wanted to get legal advice, she hung up.
I got a call from ACS stating that they would need to get my account settled and that my account was due to go to court due to payday loan fraud, and that i have 24 hours to call back and considered myself served, they also said that they were a lawfirm. They called mt family members and said I had to call them back and that they did not have any credit plans or credit cards or check over the phone. they kept calling on the summons division, what i’m going to do is ask them for a letter, an address of where they are located and their website, ‘
I received a message from the other day from PDLR Group named her Jan Faith to call back at 877-269-0088. I called the next day to find out what this was for. I spoke to Jan who told me I had a payday loan that was back to 2008 or before, but did not have an exact date. The next thing she was telling me that if I did not settle with them TODAY and make a payment with a debit card or a prepaid card for $ 700, I was looking at at least $ 3500 with lawyers costs and court costs but that they will not go to short. She said they would go straight to my HR department to start garnishing my salary. Unfortunately I have applied for payday loan before but have paid back the one I did. I even find a website for Payday Today which is the company I supposedly did the loan with. I asked for written proof of the debt, and all of a sudden was rushed from the phone telling me that I could expect to be called down to HR about this. She said the wage assignment I signed was my forfeit from court, but she wanted to be the best of luck and she hung up. My HR needs a short time
I received the same call yesterday and today from Eric Brown threathening to come to my place of employment and have me served. When asked for his company name, phone number he said I havd been warded. He starts off having a lot of personal information address, phone number really scary. How do they get all this? He has been calling my cell phone everyday today with threats. I have his messa saved on voice mail. He also informs me to contact 877-418-8244 Pay Day Solutions. His number is always unavailable. Will contact Attornet General and FTC today. How can we stop this?
It sounds like if the caller is breaking the law; a collection agency can not send you to jail. Read 5 Things to Debt Collector Should Never Say “and 11 Ways to Debt Collector May Be Breaking the Law for more information and advice on how to handle calls.
DUBNER: Let’s say you have a one-on-one audience with President Obama. We know that the President understands economics pretty well or, I would argue that at least. What’s your pitch to the President for how this industry should be treated and not eliminated?
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Crystal – It could be a scam or it could be a legitimate collection. They being detective sound suspect but to know for sure, you’ll need more information from them. For step-by-step instructions on how to deal with a collector when they call, this resource can help:
Thank you, I’m not sure the investigator called the house number and when I called the agency that is statewide mediation they said I should not see why a sheriff would come to my house over a debt owed
I’ve never heard of Money More or Money, but received a letter (very unprofessional actually signed in ink) by some small time debt collector claiming I pay or settlement (Payback & Associates, Henderson. places appear to be in NV).
ALAN STONE 704-389 0723 MICHAEL JOHNSON 204-449-0158 AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE NUMBERS I have them on reject -thats how many times they called.once the call came 21 times back to back like a computer was dialing them … 7501003 is the one they use
with a case # So I immediately called back and a lady answered as “United” and asked for my case #. I gave it to her and she said I owe for a PDL from Sept 2011 with ACE. I do not remember having a loan with them. I have had PDLs before and thought I’ve forgot about it. I Todd them I’m on maternity leave and have no income. Then she transferred me to her supervisor because she was monitoring the call and wanted to try and work something out with me. He asked if Ihad people I can borrow the money from because if it does not get paid I will go to court and be charged with fraud check. Scared the crap out of me! So he said I can pay $ 150 by Jan 25th and the rest by Feb 22. I asked why I never got anything in the mail. He asked if the address he had was right, it was an address that I moved out of in June 2011. So he said that’s why. He said I had to get the payment plan with a debit card. I was stupid and gave it to him. The last few days I’ve been thinking about it because I just did not remember this loan. Then I remembered that in AZ they have no real payday loans, they were outlawed in 2010. Now they give you a loan off your car registration or title. So if I defaulted then they would have come and taken my car. Also, IF you give them a check it has to be a voided check. So how can I have a bad check if they can not cash it being that it was voided? So … .does it sounds like my situation is also a scam? If so I probably need to cancel my card.
Sorry to hear a scammer made your day so difficult, but we are relieved to do not send a moneygram. Those, along with prepaid cards, are popular ways for scammers to take advantage of scared consumers. But good for you for doing the research and figuring out it was a scam.
WOW I do not believe this happened to me. Someone has been calling me for a few days now and I finally call back and say I have a payday loan I took out in 2010. OK I know I never did, so I ask for the name of the buisness she works for and she says [redacted]. Then I ask her where this payday loan came from and she says [redacted] an online payday loan. She said I stopped paying it. Then I said I do not believe you or this and HUNG UP! Hec no. No scammer is going to get me. IDK what they know about me Nothing anyone cant look up!
This same Michael Moore had contacted me about 6 months ago, from a different #, with the same story of serving papers for my arrest about 6 months ago but that I owed money to PDL Loan for November 2008 … which I’m sure I do not owe, and I should send a payment immedately to settle claim.
Im glad you posted this, i just lost $ 150 to this [redacted]. So today I had a similar call about another payday loan i supposedly had taken out, but didnt. I will be blocking my debit card now, thank you for posting.
This has all the classic signs of a payday loan scam. I would encourage you to report this firm to the authorities – FTC, CFPB, and tell them next time they call you call their call to report them to law enforcement.
DEYOUNG: I had written that paper, and had I know 100 percent of the facts about where the data came from and who paid for it – yes, I would have disclosed that. I do not think it’s one way or the other in terms of what the research found and what the paper says.
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