Fulmer says that payday-loan interest rates are not almost as predatory as they seem, for two reasons. First: When you hear “400 percent on an annualized basis,” you might think that people are borrowing the money for a year. But these loans are designed to be held for just a few weeks, unless, of course, they get rolled over a bunch of times. And, reason number two: because payday loans are so small – the average loan is about $ 375 – the fees need to be relatively high to make it worthwhile for the lender. For every $ 100 borrowed, Fulmer says, the lender gets about $ 15 in fees. So, capping the rate at an annualized 36 percent just would not work.
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And this does not make sense: “They had a warrant for my arrest and ready to be sent to the sheriffs department in my county.” If they did not have a warrant for your arrest, why would they tell you that other than to try to shake you down for money? It would be smart for you to call your local sheriff’s department, explain what happened and ask them if you can file a police report.
You can report to your state attorney general office, and you can submit a complaint to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. However, the people you are dealing with may be out of the country or may have a “business” that often changes names. You are wise to ask for validation of the debt. A legitimate collector would have provided it. Keep the evidence that the loan was repaid and try not to worry. We are written about what to do when you receive a call before. Perhaps it will be useful to you.
Paulette – Do not let them scare you. Remember if this is the debt collection scam (and it sounds like it is) then just
you took out these loans now you people dont want to pay them back and eveyone wonders why the economy is the way it’s a cause of people like you get off ur a ** and get a job and start paying back your debt
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DEYOUNG: I had written that paper, and had I know 100 percent of the facts about where the data came from and who paid for it – yes, I would have disclosed that. I do not think it’s one way or the other in terms of what the research found and what the paper says.
of my ssn # and threatened to take me to court, but I have been ignoring his calls. Can you tell me if he really did anything. Thanks.
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DeYOUNG: Well, in a short sentence that’s very scientific I would start by saying, “Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.” The question comes down to how we identify the water here and how do we identify the baby here. One way is to collect a lot of information, as the CFPB suggests, about the creditworthiness of the borrower. But that brings up production cost of payday loans and will probably put the industry out of business. But I think we can all agree that once someone pays a fee in an aggregate amount equal to the amount that was originally borrowed, that’s pretty clear that there’s a problem there.
Last night, I received a call from a woman and she just told me her name was “Miss Riely.” She said that a company has filed a claim against my social security because I had a outstanding balance on a PDL. She said that if I did not pay the amount of cash or a settlement amount I would receive a court order Wage Garnishment. First of all, I have no comfirmed to receive PDL and other than providing basic info to see if I qualify I never confirmed nor received a PDL from ANY company. I just do not understand how that can do this ?? So here I have a deadline to go and get money to send to the company’s debt collection and not get a Wage Garnishment.
Joseph – You may want to alert your employer. This scam is well documented from many sources so hopefully your employer would be understanding if you explained that you are being targeted by a scammer.
The only insight we can offer at this point is that it’s very likely it’s a scam. If it was a legitimate collector, they would be violating many laws under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Thankfully, you did the right thing and did not fall for it.
I’ve been getting phone messages from a place that calls themselves “fraud division” with a Nebraska number claiming that it had taken out a loan in 2013 (which I have not), they claim that if I did not come up with 1169.50 of which I had to pay half today that they were going to forward the
My daughter (who’s phone number has not been associated with me) received a call from (602) 726-0102 form an unknown company, addressing me, that I was under investigation and needed to call them back. My daughter gave me the info and I called them back.
He does not want direct bank transfer and does not want money orders as both will leave paper trails right to him. He just wants us to get a pre-paid debit card from the store and put the money on it.
Just got a call from a place called themselves Capital Services. A bit aggressive, had my information, what banking bank has and social security number. I run my credit reports every year. These people said they were representing SJM Marketing for a payday loan I took out in 2009 and was defaulted. I have not seen any such place on my reports. They had my address, but not the one I was living in at the time. They had my wife’s new email address, that she did not have at the time. Their number is 646-354-2096.
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Ok update. Yesterday I received from the bank my statement for the year of the alleged payday loans and it only confirmed what I knew to be true, no transactions of any kind either at Payday loan deposit or any attempt to collect on it.
Whatever you want to call it – wage deflation, structural unemployment, the absence of good-paying jobs – is not that a bigger problem? And, if so, what’s to be done about that? Next time on Freakonomics Radio, we will continue this conversation by looking at a strange, controversial proposal to make sure everyone’s got enough money to get by.
Saying you’re going to be arrested for fraud because you have not paid your payday loan is a bogus threat. The fact that they have all this information about you does not mean it is a legitimate collection attempt. And the fact that you want to pay with a moneypack is a big red flag. I would suggest you turn the tables on them and report them to the Federal Trade Commission and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (consumerfinance.gov). Next time they call start the conversation by telling them you are going to record the call to deliver to law enforcement – and do so!
may want to return the call to get more information about the debt. Go into the situation with your eyes open, alert to the possibility that it could be a payday loan scam. To help you through the process, Credit.com offers a number of resources to deal with collectors, your debt collection rights, and steps for protecting yourself from scams. Before you make the call, be sure to read through the following resources so that you know your rights and what to expect from a “legitimate” collector:
In a high-education system that is often divided between two and four-year colleges and further segregated between elite and nonelite institutions, it’s not often that a college college is mentioned in the same breath as the Ivy League campus. Nor is a two-year college as a training ground for jobs in the so-called creative economy, which includes industries such as design, fashion, and computer gaming that typically require bachelor degrees.
Elizabeth Warren has endorsed the idea of the Postal Service partnering with banks to offer short-term loans. But even some fellow opponents of payday think that’s unfeasible. In a New York Times op-ed last fall, Frederick Wherry, a sociologist professor at Yale, pointed out that doing this would require the Postal Service to have all new infrastructure, and its new full skills set employees. Another alternative would seem to be online companies, because they do not have the storefront overhead. But they may have difficulty managing the fraud, and they themselves are difficult to police, so they may at times evade state caps on interest rates. So far, the rates charged by many Internet lenders seem to be higher, not lower, than those charged by traditional lenders. (Elevate Credit, which says it has a sophisticated, technological-based way of underwriting loans, brags that its loans for the “new middle class” are half the cost of typical payday loans – but it is selective in its lending, and still charges about 200 percent annually.) Promising out-of-the-box ideas, in other words, are in short supply.
wow. That’s disgusting, especially towards your daughter. I’d have told them “odd, I’ve already talked to my county sheriff about this, so PLEASE some over here because he really wants to meet you too! Oh, all of this is recorded and will be given to my Sheriff this afternoon while we’re sitting around waiting
we believe. In 2010, when Time magazine and the Pew Research Center famously asked Americans whether they thought marriage was becoming obsolete, 39 percent said yes. That was up from 28 percent when Time asked the question in 1978. Also, since 2010, the Census Bureau reported that married couples have made up less than half of all households; in 1950 they made up 78 percent. Data such as these have led to much collective handwringing about the fate of the embattled institution.
WERTH: It’s hard to say. Actually, we just do not know. But whatever their incentive might be, their FOIA applications have produced what looks like some pretty damning e-mails between CCRF – which, again, receives funding from payday lenders – and academic researchers who have written about payday lending.
lending at 25 percent a year, there are no stores at all.
Beware folks. The first letter I got, they wanted 1300. and used a old address from 2003 and the supposed date of the debt was 2007 !! I did not even live there in 2007! The second letter I got was for 984.00 and they would call the DA if I did not pay up.
A Review of the Department of Defense’s Report on Predatory Lending Practices Directed at Members of the Armed Forces and Their Dependents, hearing in the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing. & Urban Affairs, (September, 2006).
I got this call at my job telling me to pay this payday loan. I took out. I never did. I consulted with my attorney and he said to her a scam because they have to send you something in mail. I never got anything. No court sum or anything. Beaver here is the phone number: (213) 260-9435
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